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U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

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Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

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Yeah I agree, like isn't that the way it should be? An independent adult doing what they want and what's legal shouldn't have to go to court over it.

Addiction is a sickness. Saying that the person “wants” to drink (or do heroin) is missing a huge part of the problem.

I have diabetes and if I decide I don't want to take my insulin because I'm fed up with the hassle, I shouldn't have to go to court over it. It's my choice and my life.

Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

#72
Former heavy drinker here. I used to get very drunk about once a week (exclusively in social situations). I had to cut down on alcohol significantly few years ago, due to a health problem that came about unrelated to drinking. Now I get drunk maybe 2-3 times a year.

I was disappointed that I didn't get any of the benefits I frequently found mentioned online. I didn't lose any weight, my skin didn't look better, my thinking hasn't become any more clear, I didn't become more productive and my relationships haven't improved. But those were all in pretty decent shape while I was still drinking regularly.

All in all, life just became a little more boring. It wasn't even that hard to reduce my drinking, after having come to terms with the life-becoming-more-boring part. I just wish there was some substance which would fill the same niche without the health risks. Weed isn't really it.

Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

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My entire family, outside of myself, has struggled with alcohol. I watched it turn them from brilliant, creative people into miserable wretches that avoided living life like one would an allergy. For every single one of them, they started out drinking heavily at parties. Then they would have a beer after work to 'relax'. Then two. Then four. Then six. And then their livers, marriages, and careers started to fall apart around them. They stopped leaving their homes, and then their chairs, and then their beds -- until they were dead. Their livers failed along with the rest of their health. Alcoholism isn't a war or a battle, it's a slow, insidious invasion and dismantling of your coping mechanisms until you have literally nothing else to turn to.

It always amazes me that casual and habitual drinking is an accepted thing. People even seem to take pride in their alcohol tolerance, and congratulate each other for drinking more of the substance than others would even attempt.

Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

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The state of men in the US is really deteriorating. Men are drugging, drinking, and smoking theirselves to death. And sometimes the death is very explicit, being by suicide which is climbing to rates higher than ever. Prisons are filled with men, universities are increasingly seeing fewer men than women. Men are increasingly sexless much longer than females. Seems we have a big problem on our hands.

well to be honest, when the media which includes print, broadcast, news, and even movies, portray men in a bad light over and over and over it can have an effect.

many parts of the legal system and quasi legal system; think colleges; de facto treat men differently. this is especially true in cases of divorce, domestic violence, and campus issues.

this is not to say there are not many cases where the outcome is correct but there are too many instances where the deck is stacked against them before they even get to the table.

Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

#75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I agree, like isn't that the way it should be? An independent adult doing what they want and what's legal shouldn't have to go to court over it.

Addiction is a sickness. Saying that the person “wants” to drink (or do heroin) is missing a huge part of the problem.

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Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I agree, like isn't that the way it should be? An independent adult doing what they want and what's legal shouldn't have to go to court over it.

Addiction is a sickness. Saying that the person “wants” to drink (or do heroin) is missing a huge part of the problem.

Addiction is a sickness, and society needs to treat it as the public health problem it is and effective treatment needs to be made easily and cheaply available to all who need it.

However, incarcerating people against their will, forcing them to take medication against their will, possibly for months, is problematic.

We might tolerate that if it worked, but from the evidence we have we don't think it will work for many people with substance misuse.

Addiction treatment is hard. I don't know many people working in addiction treatment who are asking for more legal powers to detain people.

In England I sometimes speak to people with substance misuse disorders (comorbid with mental illness, or learning disability, or autism, or a mix). Many of them will have been detained for mental illness (they were not detained because of substance misuse). It's fair to say they have mixed views about compulsory treatment. Some of them hate it and think it caused them harm. Some of them think it was transformative. It is complicated.

Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

#77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Addiction is a sickness. Saying that the person “wants” to drink (or do heroin) is missing a huge part of the problem.

I have diabetes and if I decide I don't want to take my insulin because I'm fed up with the hassle, I shouldn't have to go to court over it. It's my choice and my life.

Sure, if you have capacity to make a choice you should be allowed to make an unwise choice.

People are asking how much capacity a person has if they are addicted.

Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

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I know a functional alcoholic that drins a very large amount of alcohol but doesn't get drunk from it. He wants to stop but refuses to go through long PAWs. How long was it until you felt your normal self ?

a couple of weeks, for alcoholics w/significant PAWs they should work with a doctor or inpatient in addition to AA or similar early 2 week program, of which there are many i can reccomend depending on location other interesting timing stuff for me 30 days until believing i could actually do it "one day at a time" 90 days until the cravings subsided reguarly 1 year until cravings for the most part behind 2 years until…

Thank you for this information.

Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

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>The research shows that in 2017, alcohol proved to be even more deadly than illicit drugs, including opioids. That year there were about 70,000 drug overdose deaths — about 2,300 fewer than those involving alcohol, >Only cigarettes are deadlier than alcohol: More than 480,000 people die each year in the U.S. because of smoking-related illnesses. I didn't realise how much worse this is compared to the opioid epedemic…

Quite an eye opener. Yet, due to the enormous amount of money generated by the alcohol and smoking businesses, no one dares to go after them. Who care about people dying when there's so much money to be made?

> no one dares to go after them.

Prohibition doesn't count?

What about all the no-smoking-in-bars etc. laws?

And the warnings on the packaging?

The manufacturers don't do that voluntarily.

C'mon now.

Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

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>The research shows that in 2017, alcohol proved to be even more deadly than illicit drugs, including opioids. That year there were about 70,000 drug overdose deaths — about 2,300 fewer than those involving alcohol, >Only cigarettes are deadlier than alcohol: More than 480,000 people die each year in the U.S. because of smoking-related illnesses. I didn't realise how much worse this is compared to the opioid epedemic…

This is an abuse of statistics. I'm not trying to minimize alcohol, but it is like saying "putting up Christmas tree lights is more dangerous than BASE jumping"

On a population basis, putting up Christmas lights kills far more people than BASE jumping. But the danger from each activity in isolation isn't comparable at all.

Far more people drink and smoke than use opioids.

The relationship between opioids and cigarette smoking/vaping appears to be complicated, to complicate things.

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