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U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

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Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

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> It's also a drug who's abuse regularly kills people other than those using it. I don't think this is unique to alcohol. Nicotine and driving seems pretty okay, but I can't think of any other deadly drugs out there which wouldn't impair your driving. EDIT: As other users have brought up, nicotine kills plenty of people other than those using it, in the form of second-hand smoke.

Cocaine, methamphetamine don’t impact your ability to drive well, but they may make you drive more impulsively. Opiates, benzos, and alcohol all affect technical driving skills in a negative way. I’m not opening the THC and driving can of worms.

> Cocaine, methamphetamine don’t impact your ability to drive well, but they may make you drive more impulsively.

I'm very skeptical of this claim. Do you have any evidence?

Note that impressions of ones own performance while on drugs are not necessarily accurate.

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Alcohol is really weird. It's unquestionably a pretty hard drug and yet it's (ab)use is completely normalized in our culture. It's also a drug who's abuse regularly kills people other than those using it.

> It's also a drug who's abuse regularly kills people other than those using it. I don't think this is unique to alcohol. Nicotine and driving seems pretty okay, but I can't think of any other deadly drugs out there which wouldn't impair your driving. EDIT: As other users have brought up, nicotine kills plenty of people other than those using it, in the form of second-hand smoke.

Second hand smoke killed millions of people and still kills thousand a year just in the US.

Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

#63

Hey gang. I've been an HN member for a long time, fairly prominent Bay Area tech executive, rich in the sense of both bank accounts and family. Alcohol brought me to my knees in my late 20s / early 30s. It started out as the typical "social lubricant" to help a natural introvert be better at connecting with people and was wonderful at that - I was the life of the party. Over a decade it leaked into a "requirement" fo…

When did you realize it was too much? Number of drinks? Hangovers? What was "heavily" 3/4 nights a week? What precisely was the moment you were brought to your knees as you say?

Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

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What legal recourse were you looking for? What court battle would you have gotten into around this?

Yeah I agree, like isn't that the way it should be? An independent adult doing what they want and what's legal shouldn't have to go to court over it.

Addiction is a sickness. Saying that the person “wants” to drink (or do heroin) is missing a huge part of the problem.

Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

#65

wall o' text Alcohol kind of creeps up on you over time. I was in Greek Life in college. I don't regret a second of it, but the drinking culture was omnipresent (we did have dry brothers but if you drank you drank). After college I moved back home. I had a few concerning episodes that one could "pass" as a mildly embarassing thing (vomiting after a comedy show once I was home, passing out during a family party). The…

Some people are able to moderate drinking after periods of binge drinking but if you find you can’t moderate after multiple attempts to do so, your best strategy is to just quit. It can be hard to not have anything to drink when everyone else is, but it’s better than making a fool of yourself somewhat frequently

Honestly if this latest attempt of moderation fails I don't see an option other than quitting. This period has held up decently well so far though.

Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

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My father died in July of 2015 from alcohol, at the very young age of 60. He drank daily, and then slowly stopped moving due to other health issues related to back pain. After refusing rehab and other options, he eventually died at his home one evening. His drinking buddy was my step-mother, who followed an identical trajectory. Less than four years later, she died in the same spot of the house, in her late 50s. The…

What legal recourse were you looking for? What court battle would you have gotten into around this?

We were able to work with the local county sheriff, as well as social services, to get him forced into a hospital due to him being a danger to himself. In Ohio, where he was located, this is called a pink-slip law.

He was forced to go to a hospital, where he went into a brief 72 hour coma while he was withdrawing from alcohol. From there, he was hospitalized for another 7 days, and then forced to transfer to a physical rehabilitation center, as he was unable to walk under his own power.

Once he was at the facility, he was no longer under a required hold. Once he realized this, he promptly left so he could go home and start drinking again.

We spoke with lawyers about whether or not I could be granted conservatorship over him, as he went through this detox / early recovery period. Because he hadn't lost his mental faculties in any way, we were advised that a judge was unlikely to provide conservatorship to me, and it would be an expensive and damaging process. Our best bet was to convince him at a personal level, which is what we attempted.

Should people be allowed to drink themselves to death? Should families be powerless to help a family member with a disease that makes is so addictive, they can no longer make rational choices in relation to that substance?

It's clearly a philosophical question, and it comes down to your views on personal liberty, and whether someone suffering from deep addiction is still capable of making informed decisions.

I, personally, believe that conservatorship laws are a reasonable approach to helping people get over the initial hump of detox and then understanding their addiction. I want people to have a fighting chance to come back from the brink, and we lacked the legal right to do so, in this case.

Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

#67

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> It's also a drug who's abuse regularly kills people other than those using it. I don't think this is unique to alcohol. Nicotine and driving seems pretty okay, but I can't think of any other deadly drugs out there which wouldn't impair your driving. EDIT: As other users have brought up, nicotine kills plenty of people other than those using it, in the form of second-hand smoke.

Second hand smoke killed millions of people and still kills thousand a year just in the US.

Good point, I was only thinking of the "driving while impaired" vector.

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>The research shows that in 2017, alcohol proved to be even more deadly than illicit drugs, including opioids. That year there were about 70,000 drug overdose deaths — about 2,300 fewer than those involving alcohol, >Only cigarettes are deadlier than alcohol: More than 480,000 people die each year in the U.S. because of smoking-related illnesses. I didn't realise how much worse this is compared to the opioid epedemic…

Quite an eye opener. Yet, due to the enormous amount of money generated by the alcohol and smoking businesses, no one dares to go after them. Who care about people dying when there's so much money to be made?

Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

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I think microdosing is more a part of the nootropics world. Regular dose of LSD or Psilocybin is associated with getting a new perspective on one's addition, possibly by opening new pathway connections in the brain.

i've only seen studies specifically targeting alcoholism and not other types of addictions. in this case it may actually be physiological and not just because LSD "gives you a new perspective" on something

Which studies?

Re: U.S. alcohol-related deaths have doubled, study says

#70
A bit off topic but has anyone tried Naltrexone or the Sinclair Method? I did a bit of research on it, tried it a few times but it gave me killer headaches but it seems like a really novel/interesting way to quit outside of the usual AA approach which was always a bit culty/unscientific for my liking
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