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For suicide prevention, try raising the minimum wage, research suggests

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Re: For suicide prevention, try raising the minimum wage, research suggests

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Post by claudeganon »

emptybits wrote: post #21
gremlinsinc wrote: post #2

I wonder what would happen to the suicide rate with medicare for all, and creating a max-wage that is (avg of contractors + employees * 150), or something similar, w/ additional 'bonus' multipliers for increasing # of U.S. hired. UBI would also probably help. As a freelancer I've had some really slim months and depression hits hard when money is tight. There's a very direct correlation between income security, insecu…

Re/ medicare for all ... Canada has universal health care yet a very similar suicide rate to the USA.[1] Canada doesn't have a livable minimum wage either. Each province sets its own. There is talk of UBI experiments. [1] https://politicalcalculations.blogspot.com/2011/02/us-vs-can...

But by contrast, the UK and it’s NHS has almost half the rate of the US.

Re: For suicide prevention, try raising the minimum wage, research suggests

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Post by ceejayoz »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #34
keeganjw wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The minimum wage should be livable - sincerely any good person

Livable to what extent? You should be able to afford food (what quality of food? do good people also believe everybody deserves to eat filet mignon/comparable on occasion?), transportation (which in some cases means car + gas + maintenance + insurance) + housing (what kind of housing? rent a room in a low cost area? have your own single family home?) + family (should you be encouraged to have 3 children aka mouths to…

Do you really think minimum wage always corresponds to minimum effort?

Re: For suicide prevention, try raising the minimum wage, research suggests

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Post by pkaye »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #2

I wonder what would happen to the suicide rate with medicare for all, and creating a max-wage that is (avg of contractors + employees * 150), or something similar, w/ additional 'bonus' multipliers for increasing # of U.S. hired. UBI would also probably help. As a freelancer I've had some really slim months and depression hits hard when money is tight. There's a very direct correlation between income security, insecu…

There is nearly a 2x difference in rate between white and native americans vs blacks, asians and hispanics. I'm wondering if there is a good understanding of that difference. I don't think it is just economic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_the_United_States#/...

Re: For suicide prevention, try raising the minimum wage, research suggests

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Post by tombert »

OscarCunningham wrote: post #66
tombert wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a common trope, but there have been studies indicating that minimum wage doesn't have a significant effect on unemployment. [0] [1] Assuming that's accurate, then shouldn't we mandate that these corporations pay their workers a livable wage? If they don't pay the workers a livable wage, guess who does? The taxpayers, in the form of food stamps, welfare, and increased prison population. I really don't see why t…

Assuming that's accurate, we should set the minimum wage to infinity.

I don't think anyone is suggesting we set the minimum wage to be particularly high, just enough to have a reasonable living wage. In the case of the linked studies, it was an increase of somewhere around 20-30%.

I figure you made your comment to demonstrate that the reasoning doesn't work on the extremes, but that only really works as a rebuttle if someone were seriously suggesting something extreme.

Re: For suicide prevention, try raising the minimum wage, research suggests

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Post by mc32 »

Alternatively stop exporting jobs and outsourcing joining a race to the bottom.

Stop buying cheap, disposable stuff and buy durable things affording locals a living wage. Minimum wages are only slightly better. In my mind minimum wages are wages to minimally support a teenager or similar who has no other responsibilities. People with responsibilities need actually decent jobs.

Hollowing our decent paying blue collar jobs will drive some people to despair.

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Post by whiddershins »

claudeganon wrote: post #46
gremlinsinc wrote: post #2

I wonder what would happen to the suicide rate with medicare for all, and creating a max-wage that is (avg of contractors + employees * 150), or something similar, w/ additional 'bonus' multipliers for increasing # of U.S. hired. UBI would also probably help. As a freelancer I've had some really slim months and depression hits hard when money is tight. There's a very direct correlation between income security, insecu…

There’s something obviously wrong with the U.S. because suicide is now the second leading cause of death among young people and has jumped 50+ percent since the Great Recession: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/06/opinion/suicide-young-peo...

What would you prefer the second-leading cause of death be for young people?

I am being serious. Some things have to be the top causes of death for young people and the list definitionally can’t include the aspirational “old age.”

Re: For suicide prevention, try raising the minimum wage, research suggests

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Post by MuffinFlavored »

ceejayoz wrote: post #92
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Livable to what extent? You should be able to afford food (what quality of food? do good people also believe everybody deserves to eat filet mignon/comparable on occasion?), transportation (which in some cases means car + gas + maintenance + insurance) + housing (what kind of housing? rent a room in a low cost area? have your own single family home?) + family (should you be encouraged to have 3 children aka mouths to…

Do you really think minimum wage always corresponds to minimum effort ?

No. I know that there are a few barriers keeping people near the "minimum worth" level:

1. education

2. language

3. physical/mental inability

What are some other ones?

Re: For suicide prevention, try raising the minimum wage, research suggests

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Post by degenerate »

antoineMoPa wrote: post #25
degenerate wrote: post #18

Does anyone have access to the paper? Raising the minimum wage means less jobs will be available, as employers cut costs and perform layoffs. My assumption is the paper neglects to factors this into their analysis, but if they do, I'd love to read it. edit: paper shared below!

Do you have links to articles to backup your assumption?

No I don't.

Re: For suicide prevention, try raising the minimum wage, research suggests

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Post by chadlavi »

codingslave wrote: post #12

Really doubt this. Instead I would look into the connection between anti depressants/anti psychotics and suicide. There's research of strong connections, but immunity is claimed by the drug companies, "because they were already depressed/mentally unhealthy when put on the drugs". Mental health professionals and managers at large drug companies need to start going to jail for over-prescribing psychiatric drugs. The ne…

Pardon my French but what the heck do you think is driving rising depression rates and opioid addiction if not economic pressures? Do you really think those are unrelated?

Re: For suicide prevention, try raising the minimum wage, research suggests

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Post by linuxftw »

mc32 wrote: post #95

Alternatively stop exporting jobs and outsourcing joining a race to the bottom. Stop buying cheap, disposable stuff and buy durable things affording locals a living wage. Minimum wages are only slightly better. In my mind minimum wages are wages to minimally support a teenager or similar who has no other responsibilities. People with responsibilities need actually decent jobs. Hollowing our decent paying blue collar…

You mean domestic policies have been negatively impacting the labor force for decades now? Get outta town! It's almost like low-to-no tariffs and importing literal slave-produced goods has created economic incentives to produce things overseas.
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