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Re: BeOS: The Alternate Universe's Mac OS X

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If more than (or equal to) half of computers are used by only one person, then the median user count is 1, no?

If you have 3 PCs in the world, one with 0 users, one with 1 user and one with 23 users the median is 1. Median is literally the middle, like a highway.

They're just stating that having more than half of all computers with just 1 user guarantees that the median is 1.

Re: BeOS: The Alternate Universe's Mac OS X

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Ah, memories. Used to use BeOS as my primary OS for a year or two. I think it's the only OS I ever found to be truly intuitive and pleasant to work with. That said, I don't think the world would be in a better place had Apple chosen Be over NeXT. The elephant in the room is security: NeXTSTEP, being Unix-based, has some amount of security baked in from the ground up. BeOS didn't; it was more akin to Windows 95 or cla…

The anti competitive business practices of Apple make it hard to imagine the world could be worse. Instead of competition, Apple survives off marketing medium quality products at high prices. I'm not sure how that's good for anyone unless they own Apple stock.

You don't get to Apple is (large market cap, high customer satisfaction scores, high reviews in the tech press, etc.) because of marketing. If it were that easy, companies would just copy their marketing or load up on marketing and they would be successful.

And a huge part of Apple's current success is based on the tech and expertise they got from NeXT. That work underpins not just laptops and desktops but phones, tablets, set-top boxes, and more.

Re: BeOS: The Alternate Universe's Mac OS X

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People complained about "Wintel" because the 32-bit x86 chips were so fast and cheap they destroyed the market for RISC designs and killed existing RISC workstation and server architectures, like SPARC and HPPA and MIPS. By the time the Pentium came around, the future looked like a completely monotonous stretch of Windows NT on x86 for ever and ever, amen. No serious hardware competition, other than Intel being smart…

OS X was around in the days of XP and Linux was perfectly usable on the desktop. A few years earlier things were a little more bleak.

> OS X was around in the days of XP and Linux was perfectly usable on the desktop.

> A few years earlier things were a little more bleak.

I admit I was unclear on the time I was talking about, and probably inadvertently mangled a few things.

As for Linux in the XP era, I was using it, yes, but I wouldn't recommend it to others back then because it still had pretty hard sticking points with regards to what hardware it could use. As I said, Winmodems (cheap sound cards with a phone jack instead of a speaker/microphone jack, which shove all of the modem functionality onto the CPU) were one issue, and then there was WiFi on laptops, and NTFS support wasn't there yet, either. I remember USB and the move away from dial-up as being big helps in hardware compatibility.

Re: BeOS: The Alternate Universe's Mac OS X

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“That said, I don't think the world would be in a better place had Apple chosen Be over NeXT.” Yes. Except that it wasn’t acquiring NeXTSTEP that saved Apple’s skin; it was acquiring Steven P Jobs. True, version 1 had been rough and flakey as hell, and honestly really didn’t work all that well. But Steve 2.0? Damn, that one could sell .

NeXTSTEP pretty directly evolved into iOS, though, so it was certainly a significant asset in the acquisition, too.

Yeah, Rhapsody > Mac OS X Server 1.0 > Mac OS X > iOS which was literally described as being "OS X" when it first launched.

Re: BeOS: The Alternate Universe's Mac OS X

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Linux could do that in 2001 just fine, and without crashing like Windows. XV was amazing. So was MPlayer.

> without crashing like Windows That depended _very_ heavily on your graphics card at the time. In 2001, I could get X to crash on my work computer if I shook my mouse too fast. At home on my matrox card, yes, it was rock stable.

Nvidia TNT2/Geforce2 MX later.

EDIT: Also, Slackware was rock solid and it crashed far less than SuSE/Mandrake.

Re: BeOS: The Alternate Universe's Mac OS X

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> In 1990, Jean-Louis Gassée, who replaced Jobs in Apple as the head of Macintosh development, was also fired from the company. He then also formed his own computer company with the help of another ex-Apple employee, Steve Sakoman. They called it Be Inc, and their goal was to create a more modern operating system from scratch based on the object-oriented design of C++, using proprietary hardware that could allow for…

IBM failed with OS/2 due to executive incompetence.

John Thompson doesn't want to be in the "kitchentop" business... Dumb ass.

Re: BeOS: The Alternate Universe's Mac OS X

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Ah, memories. Used to use BeOS as my primary OS for a year or two. I think it's the only OS I ever found to be truly intuitive and pleasant to work with. That said, I don't think the world would be in a better place had Apple chosen Be over NeXT. The elephant in the room is security: NeXTSTEP, being Unix-based, has some amount of security baked in from the ground up. BeOS didn't; it was more akin to Windows 95 or cla…

I used to work for Be in Menlo Park in a previous life and I can confirm that the code base quality would have made for a very bad outcome for Apple. Security was the least of the numerous serious issues. That said BeOS somewhat still exists in spirit as a lot of folks from Be went to build/contribute to Android.

Thanks a lot! I ran BeOS fulltime for a few years (R3/4/5) and I'm looking at a BeOS "the Media OS" poster at my wall here. Fond memories!

Re: BeOS: The Alternate Universe's Mac OS X

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People complained about "Wintel" because the 32-bit x86 chips were so fast and cheap they destroyed the market for RISC designs and killed existing RISC workstation and server architectures, like SPARC and HPPA and MIPS. By the time the Pentium came around, the future looked like a completely monotonous stretch of Windows NT on x86 for ever and ever, amen. No serious hardware competition, other than Intel being smart…

I honestly think it was less any type of Wintel conspiracy and more that platforms have network effects. Between Palladium not working out and Microsoft actually making Windows NT for some RISC ISA's, there wasn't actually an Intel/Microsoft conspiracy to dominate the industry together. They each wanted to separately dominate their part of the industry and both largely succeeded, but MS would have been just as happy…

> I honestly think it was less any type of Wintel conspiracy and more that platforms have network effects.

True. I've always regarded "Wintel" as more descriptive than accusatory. It's just a handy shorthand to refer to one specific monoculture.

> Between Palladium not working out and Microsoft actually making Windows NT for some RISC ISA's, there wasn't actually an Intel/Microsoft conspiracy to dominate the industry together.

Right. They both happened to rise and converge, and it's humanity's need to see patterns which turns that into a conspiracy to take over the world. They both owe IBM a huge debt, and IBM did what it did with no intention of being knocked down by the companies it did business with.

Re: BeOS: The Alternate Universe's Mac OS X

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When I went to college in 1999, a kid down the hall from me pushed me really hard to install Be. It looked really cool when he showed it to me...

... But no programs that I wanted ran on it! As cool as BeOS was, without programs, it was little more than a demo or a hobby.

Within a year I tried Windows NT and Windows 2000, and then forgot all about BeOS. Windows 2000 did everything that BeOS did for me, didn't crash, and ran all the programs I wanted to.

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