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For suicide prevention, try raising the minimum wage, research suggests

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Post by whiddershins »

degenerate wrote: post #18

Does anyone have access to the paper? Raising the minimum wage means less jobs will be available, as employers cut costs and perform layoffs. My assumption is the paper neglects to factors this into their analysis, but if they do, I'd love to read it. edit: paper shared below!

That’s probably accurate, but hotly debated. I would be very cautious about stating it as fact, since there are many competing models and studies about the effects of raising minimum wage, and the one thing that is clear is that no one knows for sure.

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Post by paulgb »

degenerate wrote: post #18

Does anyone have access to the paper? Raising the minimum wage means less jobs will be available, as employers cut costs and perform layoffs. My assumption is the paper neglects to factors this into their analysis, but if they do, I'd love to read it. edit: paper shared below!

This is the paper:

https://jech.bmj.com/content/jech/early/2020/01/03/jech-2019...

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

ngngngng wrote: post #4

I was reading the other day that typically mass shootings happen during a recession, and right now is a confusing time because the economy is supposedly doing fantastic, yet we keep having mass shootings. Could this have to do with the mounting inequality? It seems the standard indicators for the health of the economy are breaking because wealth just keeps pooling near the top. So what this study could be saying is,…

Those with investments have a much different economic situation than those who don't, to the point that it almost doesn't matter how well the economy is doing for the lowest wealth classes. Minimum wage in a bull economy is the same as minimum wage in bear economy.

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Post by MuffinFlavored »

keeganjw wrote: post #17
cartercole wrote: post #11

The minimum wage should be 0 - sincerely any good economist

The minimum wage should be livable - sincerely any good person

Livable to what extent? You should be able to afford food (what quality of food? do good people also believe everybody deserves to eat filet mignon/comparable on occasion?), transportation (which in some cases means car + gas + maintenance + insurance) + housing (what kind of housing? rent a room in a low cost area? have your own single family home?) + family (should you be encouraged to have 3 children aka mouths to feed if you are low income)?

I don't know if I've been brainwashed growing up by fake news but... isn't the idea "work hard for a living", not "do the minimum and be rewarded?" (aka minimum wage)

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Post by jotm »

> Kaufman is planning future work to see whether depression, a risk factor for suicide, also decreases with wage hikes

It doesn't. A good working environment does. £1/hr more is nothing if you're on minimum wage working for Amazon Fulfillment or Facebook Moderation, being treated like a slave.

Source: totally unscientific experience with factory work and workers.

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Post by theredbox »

funklute wrote: post #14
tempsy wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

making a living wage, and I would hardly call $1 above the current min wage a "living" wage, has nothing to do with having more money to buy things with and everything to do with feeling psychologically safe from spiraling into debt and possible homelessness. the lack of a psychological safety net is one of the most anxiety inducing things about American capitalism. we underestimate as a society how damaging it is be…

> we underestimate as a society how damaging it is because it's so hard to measure I'm not sure I agree with that. It has been known within public health for decades that poverty is an important predictor of life expectancy and quality of life. The real problem in the US appears to be a deep cultural belief in self-sufficiency, and an accompanying unwillingness to vote for politicians who support implementation of sa…

Well this is actually one of the biggest issues in Eastern Europe. The belief the state should take care of its citizens ( the safety net you are talking about ). The truth is only populist crooks get elected and only come up with shortsighted inefficient solutions (and half of the budget gets stolen).

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Post by keeganjw »

degenerate wrote: post #18

Does anyone have access to the paper? Raising the minimum wage means less jobs will be available, as employers cut costs and perform layoffs. My assumption is the paper neglects to factors this into their analysis, but if they do, I'd love to read it. edit: paper shared below!

The well-being of people in countries with high minimum wages and strong social safety nets, compared to the US, says otherwise.

Re: For suicide prevention, try raising the minimum wage, research suggests

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Post by jotm »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #19

What would increased minimum wage due to small business (<$50m/yr in revenue)? Wouldn't it force them to cut shifts/hours/consolidate positions?

For $1/hour? I'd hope it would force them to review their expenses. But you're right, it won't, they'll just cut hours.
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