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San Francisco has nearly five empty homes per homeless resident

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Re: San Francisco has nearly five empty homes per homeless resident

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> “The census’ annual American Communities Survey defines a home as vacant if there is either no occupant or a temporary occupant—temporary meaning “people who will be there for two months or less.”

I wonder why they didn’t mention one simple explanation - many of these are Airbnbs or other short term rentals.

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Their numbers look sound to me. Did you read the article? >The ten most populous Bay Area cities listed above have a combined point-in-time homeless total of 63,527, and, margins of error notwithstanding, a census-estimated 92,800-plus homes vacant, a ratio of about three units for every two persons. >The census’ annual American Communities Survey defines a home as vacant if there is either no occupant or a temporary…

It doesn't seem they're questioning the data, they're questioning the motives of the title, and the implication that the housing should be redistributed to the homeless. I absolutely disagree with their position, but I can see their point of view.

Personally, my (rough) idea would be to increase property taxes dramatically for unoccupied residences, which would encourage them to be put on the market for rental at least, and drive prices down a bit.

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When I lived in San Francisco, the newly built condo building across from me was fully empty (but fully sold) for all the years I lived there. This is a tower in SOMA. There was only one apartment which appeared to be a corporate one that was occasionally utilized. The rise of foreign money parking money in real estate has screwed things up on a global level. San Francisco has felt the brunt of this due to their insa…

Why should different rules apply to foreigners in this context? An American billionaire buying a few condos and keeping them empty has the exact same effect as a Chinese billionaire doing so. Rules around vacant homes are good, though, and I strongly support them.

At least an American billionaire pays some American taxes. If a foreign speculator makes a lot of money they aren't even paying any income or capital gains taxes here.

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You can't build yourself out of the housing crisis when the problem is one of distribution, not one of supply. The idea that housing should be treated as an investment is, itself, the problem. How can you want housing to be affordable while also wanting housing to gain in value, i.e. increase in cost? These are completely contradictory aims.

Zoom out for a second and consider how wild it is that we turned a life necessity (shelter) into a speculative plaything.

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When I lived in San Francisco, the newly built condo building across from me was fully empty (but fully sold) for all the years I lived there. This is a tower in SOMA. There was only one apartment which appeared to be a corporate one that was occasionally utilized. The rise of foreign money parking money in real estate has screwed things up on a global level. San Francisco has felt the brunt of this due to their insa…

I used to be instinctively against stuff like this, but I actually think it’s pretty reasonable now. People outside of a given city/country/etc. have no inherent right to participate in that place. Local residents should only allow outsiders to participate if they derive some benefit from it. Now, that said, there may be unintended consequences to eliminating foreign purchases of real estate.

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as some of the comments on the article note, you've got natural churn in residency, uninhabitable structures, renovations, etc.

also it's not like you can let someone live in a house for free and just call it a wash. anyone who has ever rented a home to folks knows that tenants can be _extremely_ hard on a rental property.

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This is the expected result of prop-13. It's true all over california.

You can make money on capital gains without any continuing investment/income or significant tax... why bother with tenants. Just sell out to the developer who wants to put in another high-rise apartment complex when the price is higher. In the mean time... screw the neighborhood.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/09/san-fr...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should different rules apply to foreigners in this context? An American billionaire buying a few condos and keeping them empty has the exact same effect as a Chinese billionaire doing so. Rules around vacant homes are good, though, and I strongly support them.

At least an American billionaire pays some American taxes. If a foreign speculator makes a lot of money they aren't even paying any income or capital gains taxes here.

An vacancy tax deals with both domestic and foreign buyers keeping homes unoccupied. Here is the link to the city of Vancouver’s Empty Home Tax: https://vancouver.ca/home-property-development/empty-homes-t... .

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When I lived in San Francisco, the newly built condo building across from me was fully empty (but fully sold) for all the years I lived there. This is a tower in SOMA. There was only one apartment which appeared to be a corporate one that was occasionally utilized. The rise of foreign money parking money in real estate has screwed things up on a global level. San Francisco has felt the brunt of this due to their insa…

We should really just repeal prop 13 for commercial and non-primary home real-estate.

edit: forgot to add non-primary home.

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post #19

When I lived in San Francisco, the newly built condo building across from me was fully empty (but fully sold) for all the years I lived there. This is a tower in SOMA. There was only one apartment which appeared to be a corporate one that was occasionally utilized. The rise of foreign money parking money in real estate has screwed things up on a global level. San Francisco has felt the brunt of this due to their insa…

We should really just repeal prop 13 for commercial and non-primary home real-estate. edit: forgot to add non-primary home.

Repeal it for everything except owner-occupied residences. That's the way homestead works in Florida.
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