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On the subject of Alesia: https://www.pipelinecomics.com/asterix-v11-asterix-and-the-c...

To my eternal shame [1], this is how I first learned about Vercingetorix. To this day I choose to believe he really dropped his shield on top of Caesar's feet. [1] I'm actually proud of this!

Same, 90% of my knowledge about the Roman occupation of Gaul came from Asterix books.

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The Franks are not depicted as ancestors of the French people in general but rather as the founders of France.

Sorry I mixed up Franks and Gaulois, which are two different things altogether. The part I had in mind is the old “our ancestors, the gaulois” which is not taught as is anymore, but still stays very present in the minds through an almost exclusive focus on Gaulois’ side when depicting that time period (not just fantasy depictions like Asterix, but also a lot of documentaries and reconstitutions funded publicly) https…

Well, in fairness it is true that 'modern' French have Gauls among their ancestors.

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As a young Greek, I had no idea the battle of Alesia was real. It was something that I read on Asterix, and since the name of the Gallic leader was Vercingetorix, I thought the entire thing was made up by Uderzo/Goscinny :-).

Thanks to the internet though, I discovered the facts a few years after I have read the reference in the comic book.

We know so little about our neighbours, about other countries!

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This is one of my all time favorites. Is there a internet or computerized version of this yet ?

http://www.vassalengine.org/wiki/Module:Caesar:_Epic_Battle_...

Amazing open source effort. My immediate thought is building an AI generic player that can train itself and play (most) of the games

What r your opinions ?

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In France, this event is well known and taught in class (at least it was in the 80's). As I remember it now, this was taught as a bittersweet moment in our history. We united, we were brave and fought a stronger army but still we were defeated and our chief was captured and killed by the enemy. As a result we were colonized and we lost almost all our Celtic culture (Celtic culture remains present notably in Bretagne…

It’s always funny how the Franks are seens as “us”, when looking throught history France has been washed by waves of invasions that all left deep cultural mixes. Going to Normandy nowadays and looking at general public exposition it’s make pretty clear their ancestry is mostly from the Vikings and Nords. In the east it’s also clear that their frenchness is a fluctuating and partial attribute. All around the country,…

> Books still present Franks as french people’s ancestors, but I wonder how teacher make it match with the reality when they teach their students.

I think the goal of using 'our ancestors the Gauls' was to create a shared history, to promote a national identity, without any regard to the actual ancestry of the actual population.

Also you have to put back the origin of this idea in his context: it's coming from the XIXth century, when moving away from the monarchy. The Gauls served as a common ancestry, without any reference to the previous monarchies, which explain why it was pushed by Napoleon III (who started up excavation looking for the site of Alesia) and the IIIrd Republic.

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http://www.vassalengine.org/wiki/Module:Caesar:_Epic_Battle_...

Amazing open source effort. My immediate thought is building an AI generic player that can train itself and play (most) of the games What r your opinions ?

I just wonder if the AI would be easier to train for Rome or for the Gauls!

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Reading this made me realize how little Roman history I know. What's the best source for learning about the major people and events of that era? EDIT: I guess what I'm really looking for is a hierarchy of topics, starting extremely broad (e.g. Roman Republic vs. Roman Empire) and drilling down into individual people and events. In other words, I want to do a breadth-first traversal, rather than depth-first.

Great books to start: - Rubicon by Tom Holland - SPQR by Mary Beard - Dynasty by Tom Holland - Caesar by Adrian Goldsworthy (more of a bio on Julius C, a bit drier than the above, has section on Alesia)

Thank you for the recommendation of Rubicon. I enjoyed reading through this thread so I thought I'd take you up on your recommendation. It was this first history book I've read in probably a decade, so I wasn't sure if I was going to enjoy it but I absolutely loved it.
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