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Why are some things darker when wet?

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Re: Why are some things darker when wet?

#22
>This is why you can’t see things in dark; no light means that there is no way that you can channel the information about the surroundings into the person’s eye.

This is not exactly accurate to my understanding. As carl Sagan once said "we are star stuff", and just like stars wherever there is a human to see - even in the "dark" - there is light.

Take the image of the sun/sun rays, moon and eye from the article, its important to remember all matter is emitting light (that includes the moon and the eye and human attached to the eye) not just the Sun.

Even in the "dark" everything including the person will be emitting light (electromagnetic radiation). Humans mostly emit electromagnetic radiation in the infrared wave length, but humans also emit some electromagnetic light in "visible" wave lengths. The issue is obviously humans have not evolved eyes that see "infrared" light like other animals, and similarly the visible light humans emit is below the intensity human eyes evolved to see. However, if human eyes were sensitive enough all humans would appear as shining stars emitting their own light.

Not sure its a thought experiment, but I always thought to understand human sight look at your hand. Then pretend you saw infrared and imagine what you hand looks like (or google a hand in infrared), then do the same as though you saw x-ray wave length light. Now try to imagine if you could see all 3 spectrum at once...what would that look like?

Re: Why are some things darker when wet?

#23

This is a bit hand-wavey in its' description of light reflecting. One of the most mind blowing bits of physics I've ever learned is that photons do not actually "bounce" off of a surface like little balls. They are always absorbed and re-emitted. The actual photons that hit an object are not the same ones that eventually enter your eyes. The atoms in an object are stimulated by photons hitting them to then emit a new…

Could you please elaborate on how it's hand-wavey. Happy to take constructive criticism and improve :)

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Re: Why are some things darker when wet?

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I am not an expert on this, but I suspect that the "diffuse reflection" picture is not telling the whole story here, as it shows reflections purely from the surface. From what I've seen, in most diffuse materials it's subsurface scattering that dominates. So I think the main contribution of wetness is that it decreases the internal scattering because the indices of refraction are more matched. The absorption remains similar, and I believe reflectance is mostly a function of the ratio of scattering to absorption (Kubelka-Munk theory).

Re: Why are some things darker when wet?

#25

This is a bit hand-wavey in its' description of light reflecting. One of the most mind blowing bits of physics I've ever learned is that photons do not actually "bounce" off of a surface like little balls. They are always absorbed and re-emitted. The actual photons that hit an object are not the same ones that eventually enter your eyes. The atoms in an object are stimulated by photons hitting them to then emit a new…

Could you please elaborate on how it's hand-wavey. Happy to take constructive criticism and improve :)

This might interest you: https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-physics-behind-colour/ans...

Re: Why are some things darker when wet?

#26
post #8

Wow, is this the same reason why you're more prone to sunburn if you have water on you or are in a swimming pool? Does the light refracted under the surface of the water bounce around and hit your skin multiple times?

Maybe you just do not notice because the water keeps your skin cool?

Re: Why are some things darker when wet?

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>This is why you can’t see things in dark; no light means that there is no way that you can channel the information about the surroundings into the person’s eye. This is not exactly accurate to my understanding. As carl Sagan once said "we are star stuff", and just like stars wherever there is a human to see - even in the "dark" - there is light. Take the image of the sun/sun rays, moon and eye from the article, its…

>> This is why you can’t see things in dark; no light means that there is no way that you can channel the information about the surroundings into the person’s eye.

> The issue is obviously humans have not evolved eyes that see "infrared" light like other animals, and similarly the visible light humans emit is below the intensity human eyes evolved to see. However, if human eyes were sensitive enough all humans would appear as shining stars emitting their own light.

In other words, the quote you pulled is completely accurate. It didn't say there was no way to channel the information about the surroundings into any photosensitive device. It says quite clearly that you can't channel the information into a human eye.

> Not sure its a thought experiment, but I always thought to understand human sight look at your hand. Then pretend you saw infrared and imagine what you hand looks like (or google a hand in infrared), then do the same as though you saw x-ray wave length light. Now try to imagine if you could see all 3 spectrum at once...what would that look like?

Probably much like looking at a solid object embedded in colored but not opaque glass. The ability to see things inside other visible things is not foreign to the visible light spectrum.

Re: Why are some things darker when wet?

#29
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does it manage to direct the photons away from the observer? I mean, it obviously doesn't know where they stand.

It directs them into a more specific spot from which the material appears bright. This is why wet things can look "shiny".

Thanks, that makes sense!

Re: Why are some things darker when wet?

#30

This is a bit hand-wavey in its' description of light reflecting. One of the most mind blowing bits of physics I've ever learned is that photons do not actually "bounce" off of a surface like little balls. They are always absorbed and re-emitted. The actual photons that hit an object are not the same ones that eventually enter your eyes. The atoms in an object are stimulated by photons hitting them to then emit a new…

That doesn’t look right at all to me. Why the photon is then re-emitted in exactly the same direction that it would have if it was reflected rather than a random direction?
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