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Gandi loses data, customers told to use their own backups

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Re: Gandi loses data, customers told to use their own backups

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post #9

I understand people might be upset because they lost data, but as a sysadmin, my reaction is "ooh shit, poor guys, that must be a horrible week"... And honestly, if you don't keep data of stuff you host on a server provider like this, you kind of get what you deserve...

> You get what you deserve

Sure, let's blame the victims here; that's effective and helpful.

Re: Gandi loses data, customers told to use their own backups

#23
post #6

Gandi have something of a cult following, but in my only experience with them they literally lost my domain name during an inbound transfer. Their response was awful and rude and completely unprofessional. I never got my domain back. Based on that experience, this incident doesn’t surprise me at all.

I’ve always been a little confused about their cult following given their unfriendly terms — arbitrary domain cancellation based on adult material for example — which are fair terms to have if that’s their ethics but it seems at odds with the typical pro freedom expectations many people in technology hold.

Re: Gandi loses data, customers told to use their own backups

#25
post #10

> We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience that this situation has caused. This type of incident is extremely rare in the web hosting industry. Why are they speaking of the "industry" as a whole when they are to blame? It's even crazier they are not even explaining the source of the data loss and why the "replication systems" didn't help. IHMO they are trying to sweep this event under the carpet. They should inst…

Replication is not a backup as was already mentioned. A great example of this is when the KDE project almost lost all of their Git repos because they were mirroring a corrupted copy of the data. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMzNTc

Re: Gandi loses data, customers told to use their own backups

#26
post #9

I understand people might be upset because they lost data, but as a sysadmin, my reaction is "ooh shit, poor guys, that must be a horrible week"... And honestly, if you don't keep data of stuff you host on a server provider like this, you kind of get what you deserve...

At least then now we know what kind of service we may expect from Gandi... Shit happens to everyone, it is in the cleaning up you learn who you're dealing with, is my personal view on that.

Re: Gandi loses data, customers told to use their own backups

#27
post #13

I don't have hosting with Gandi, but I do use them for domains and DNS. I'll be considering migrating my domains from them after this. Their response to this is exceptionally poor. To say essentially "this could happen to any other web host" it nonsense. I've never had this happen with any of the providers I've used for hosting and I'd be very angry if I had just lost an entire VPS. The fact that they've lost all sna…

I use Gandi for domains & DNS too. I've never had any problems so far but I don't want any surprises... Where do you want to migrate? What is a better alternative?

Re: Gandi loses data, customers told to use their own backups

#28
Oof, this Twitter thread looks particularly bad, especially the response from the official Gandi account.

https://twitter.com/andreaganduglia/status/12151991477012316...

While I appreciate that there are real people behind these companies that are probably having a really rough time right now, the criticism that Gandi are getting as a company is justified - and if Gandi are truly a "no bullshit" company they need to put something out to their customers asap.

Re: Gandi loses data, customers told to use their own backups

#29
post #18
post #10

> We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience that this situation has caused. This type of incident is extremely rare in the web hosting industry. Why are they speaking of the "industry" as a whole when they are to blame? It's even crazier they are not even explaining the source of the data loss and why the "replication systems" didn't help. IHMO they are trying to sweep this event under the carpet. They should inst…

In the last few years, I have seen many people confuse replication with backups. People see them as the same thing, but they really aren't. Even with snapshots, if the devices are the same, they might have the same firmware bug, etc.

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Re: Gandi loses data, customers told to use their own backups

#30
post #9

I understand people might be upset because they lost data, but as a sysadmin, my reaction is "ooh shit, poor guys, that must be a horrible week"... And honestly, if you don't keep data of stuff you host on a server provider like this, you kind of get what you deserve...

> You get what you deserve Sure, let's blame the victims here; that's effective and helpful.

Oh god, the victims, really? You host your data on someone else's computer to save on costs and get rid of the burden of dealing with metal and stabbing yourself with screwdrivers , and you're the victim when they fuckup?

Give me a break... It's not like anyone died here. There's a reason I host my own shit. Problems happen, errors are made, and data is lost. It's also your responsibility to deal with data permanence, even if your provider has all the promises in the world.

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