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Yeah not surprising, MS is pushing azure as hard as it can, to the point of given heavy office 365 discounts so on the short term it doesn't make business sense to move out of azure anymore.
I work for a Danish municipality with roughly 10,000 employees. I’m not sure if you know, but our public sector has been competing with Estonia at being the most digitised in the world for a decade. We operate an estimated 300-500 different IT-systems, some of them enterprise sized SAP solutions deployed on old IBM mainframes with multiple layers of APIs to make their fronts somewhat web-based (don’t ask). Others are…
At this scale, why not invest in your own datacenter, since you already have a lot of servers to maintain? I understand you have to use Office 365, but what is the value prop of Azure to you beyond that ?
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It provides roughly thee same APIs, but the cultural context it sits in is different. The APIs are there for parity with AWS, not as the key value proposition.
Any examples to backup up your opinion?
I work for a Danish municipality with roughly 10,000 employees. I’m not sure if you know, but our public sector has been competing with Estonia at being the most digitised in the world for a decade. We operate an estimated 300-500 different IT-systems, some of them enterprise sized SAP solutions deployed on old IBM mainframes with multiple layers of APIs to make their fronts somewhat web-based (don’t ask). Others are…
At this scale, why not invest in your own datacenter, since you already have a lot of servers to maintain? I understand you have to use Office 365, but what is the value prop of Azure to you beyond that ?
So our SQL cluster, and most of our web applications run on our own iron. Anything external as well as a lot of managed services run in Azure where the added security and operations dev-tools are invaluable compared to what we had when we self-hosted.
We do make a conscious choice about everything that moves to the cloud. We’ve spent a lot of time figuring out if buying new rental space for our SQL cluster would be cheaper than moving it to Azure. With the current political climate, we’re also a little more hesitant about moving things to clouds operated by American companies, because there is risk attached, in that we may have to move it back rather suddenly. Not something we expect will ever happen, but we don’t like risk in the public sector.
So my post wasn’t so much a “we run everything in Azure” as it was “well Azure is the obvious choice for the things we do operate in the cloud”. The relationship Microsoft has with enterprise, and the expertise staff has with their products means they become the best choice for a lot of enterprise. Unless Microsoft solutions are radically more expensive than their competitors, they simply have an advantage by already being a big, and typically well liked, player in most large organisation.
I think everyone here is missing the real reason why big companies want to go with Azure (and smaller companies probably should consider too). No one trusts Amazon to not screw them over. The A to Z in the Amazon logo hurts AWS because big companies are worried Amazon will compete with them (if they don’t already) and will use AWS data and information against those companies. MS has a long history of being a provider…
I don’t think this is true at all. I see a couple of very obvious reason that large organisations go with Azure. 1) Most large orgs already have Exchange/AD/SharePoint infrastructure. Move that into the cloud and boom, you’re already an Azure customer whether you noticed it or not. Want to take some more IaaS services on? Want a cloud SCM?... Don’t worry about procurement, you’re already a customer. 2) Procurement de…
It's a genius move considering their customers who are already embedded in SQL and Microsoft Server.
Source: we're a heavy MS SQL shop, but are on AWS and are regularly approached by MS with their offers.
Is this because of AD and Office integrations?
Maybe AD, but honestly it feels more due to strong marketing and relationships with enterprise companies. My three most recent projects were all Azure based, no one could justify why Azure other than "that's what the customer wants".
I think this article is comparing apple and pears to some extend. My company is solely cloud based and are using Azure, AWS and GCP, although 98% of our bespoke infrastructure runs on AWS. We could migrate this infrastructure to GCP, as Google has been catching up with AWS on cloud infrastructure, however, I would dread to migrate it all to Azure. We mostly use Azure for Azure AD (and Office 365), and AWS to build ou…
As an engineer working on Azure, why would you be opposed to migrating everything to Azure specifically?
Whereas AWS, sure, service outages occur but they're often region specific which I can build around.
I think this article is comparing apple and pears to some extend. My company is solely cloud based and are using Azure, AWS and GCP, although 98% of our bespoke infrastructure runs on AWS. We could migrate this infrastructure to GCP, as Google has been catching up with AWS on cloud infrastructure, however, I would dread to migrate it all to Azure. We mostly use Azure for Azure AD (and Office 365), and AWS to build ou…
As an engineer working on Azure, why would you be opposed to migrating everything to Azure specifically?
My experience with Azure support has been dreadful, to say the least. Insanely long response times, being bounced from agent to agent, people just misreading the ticket. I really don't want to deal with Azure at this point because I don't trust the support.
Most of our company infra is on AWS, and while they aren't without fault, I can say that every time we needed to talk to a human being from their side, it was quick and on-point.
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I don’t think this is true at all. I see a couple of very obvious reason that large organisations go with Azure. 1) Most large orgs already have Exchange/AD/SharePoint infrastructure. Move that into the cloud and boom, you’re already an Azure customer whether you noticed it or not. Want to take some more IaaS services on? Want a cloud SCM?... Don’t worry about procurement, you’re already a customer. 2) Procurement de…
I don’t disagree with #1. But #2 is not really valid IMO. In terms of cloud AWS fills the role of nobody got fired for picking IBM as opposed to Azure. Procurement decisions usually start with AWS.
This perspective isn’t shared by a lot of big companies. For most smaller, younger, technically oriented organisations, this is true. But large enterprises have a complete different set of values, priorities, and ways of doing things. The kind of organisations that are used to running huge Exchange, AD, SharePoint infrastructure often don’t see things that way, and often won’t be able to get much value out of AWS’s feature advantages over Azure anyway.
Of course you’ll find examples of large enterprise that love AWS, or GCP, but having witnessed how a lot of procurement decisions play out in these kinds of organisations, it’s absolutely not surprising to me to see Azure doing well I’m this segment. Especially for organisations that have invested heavily in GPO over the decades, I think a lot of them see AD alone as a killer feature.
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At this scale, why not invest in your own datacenter, since you already have a lot of servers to maintain? I understand you have to use Office 365, but what is the value prop of Azure to you beyond that ?
It would be a tremendous hassle for little to no payoff as they probably don’t have the skill set to actually run a data center, and probably their size is actually not that large, they just run a lot of software I suppose (that’s usually the case in the public administration). It would be rampant malpractice to open your own data center for something like that.