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Re: Ask HN: What kind of personal financial investment do you do?

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Warren Buffet's rules of investing: 1) Never lose money. 2) See rule #1. I use municipal bonds to immunize my expenses ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunization_%28finance%29 ). Municipal bonds (affectionately called "munis") are not subject to federal income tax because of a Supreme Court decision in the 1890s. Most states also exempt the interest on their own municipal bonds from their own income tax (of course,…

Risk of default on these bonds has never been higher -- hence the yield. The market has plummeted in the past few months, but don't try to catch a falling knife.

Quick SEC disclaimer... I'm not an investment professional; I'm just sharing my personal experience.

"Default" doesn't always mean that the principal won't get paid back. In almost all cases, it means that timely interest payments won't be made. Even in the most recent bond crisis in Puerto Rico, the "risk of default" was somewhat mitigated by the threat of shutting down the government offices (i.e. put the employees on unpaid furlough) just so the Puerto Rico could make their bond payments.

IMHO, it would be political suicide for a municipality or state to let bonds default. Here's an interesting article on this subject:

http://www.publicbonds.org/public_fin/default.htm

The default in the 1975 New York case was for revenue bonds. I don't know the exact details, but they sounded like LTX bonds.

Re: Ask HN: What kind of personal financial investment do you do?

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What saving account rates have you been able to find lately? My bank in CA offered a checking account with 5% interest back in 2007, and it's only down now to 3.5%. Most people I talk to say these are very high rates. Can I do better?

3.5% is insanely high right now. I'm 100% sure that is a promotional rate.

Whoops, since I've last checked they dropped the rate to 3%.

It does come with minor strings attached. You only get the high interest up to 15k, you have to use the debit card attached to the checking account 10 times per month (which is simple for me) and you have to get your statement electronically, not by mail.

http://www.communitywestbank.com/personal/checking/GreatRate...

Re: Ask HN: What kind of personal financial investment do you do?

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What saving account rates have you been able to find lately? My bank in CA offered a checking account with 5% interest back in 2007, and it's only down now to 3.5%. Most people I talk to say these are very high rates. Can I do better?

That is amazing. What bank is it? Right now the best I can find is a 1.1% money market savings account. Another thing to consider is the banks that offer cash to open an account. I put $2500 in a new ING Direct account for 6 months and they gave me $50

Community West "Great Rates" checking.

http://www.communitywestbank.com/personal/checking/GreatRate...

Since I last checked they have dropped the rates to 3%.

Re: Ask HN: What kind of personal financial investment do you do?

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There is a chart at http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/01/02/business/20110... that shows the average annual return for an investment in the stock market broken down by year of the start and end points. The returns are high if you invest early in a bull market and sell before the next crash, otherwise the returns are rather low. The conventional wisdom that holding stocks for several decades and getting annual r…

Thanks, means I didn't have to dig it out. It really makes me wonder about investing my savings into my tracker fund when I saw that. I'm in the UK, and my guess is, due to very tight correlation between the markets we did the same sort of performance. So long term, market beating, savings beating growth, is not assured. Especially not in "developed" countries. If you think the GDPs of Western countries is going to s…

Having just scanned the rest of this thread. My future plans:

* max out the company pension scheme in terms of contributions.

* continue to max out the UK tax free savings & investment schemes. It's only £10k ish a year but it starts adding up pretty quick.

* Currently almost half my cash savings are not in the UK, as interest rates here now are poor. I am considering an additional offshore savings account in an interesting APAC country. Maybe Singapore, as many rich people in APAC do their banking there.

* property - I expect I will look into forming a Ltd company as a holding company, where any income is heavily re-invested. This will probably be seeded with a small inheritance, or my cash savings if I don't burn through them when I get my business off the ground

* Yes, I will be investing in myself. One month in to 2011, progress is slow, but I will have a spare time business running by the end of the year.

Re: Ask HN: What kind of personal financial investment do you do?

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I turned 30 this year, so it's time for me to start re-evaluating this question myself.

Currently, I plow all my money back in to my company; I mean, at the moment I seem to be in a slow spot at the moment, but we doubled from 2009 through 2010, so while it's high risk, perhaps, it's likely I'm going to get better returns than I'd get from other investments without putting as much effort into being an investor as I put into being a business guy and sysadmin.

When I was young, this was certainly the right thing to do; When I make business decisions, I think as much about the long-term effect on my reputation as I do about the more short-term consequences for the business. (I'm the only shareholder, so there's no conflict of interest here. Either way, I'm "increasing shareholder value" as it were.) And in part because of that, I'm worth more as a worker than I otherwise would be.

The only real question now is "what point should I start becoming conservative?" if ever? I mean, I think I need to focus on getting myself more of a nest egg to cover unforeseen events, but I don't really have a lot of desire to 'retire idle'

Looking at my grandparents, the happiest of them seem to have an attitude of "I'll work till I drop" - I mean, they have assets that help, but they still work. One of my grandfathers, who is pushing 80 at this point, owns some small apartment complexes out in Illinois. He mows the lawns himself; I've even seen him do plumbing and even roofing himself.

To me, that's what I want out of retirement. Still work, but do so on my own terms. I mean, I don't know if I want that work to be maintaining old buildings, but you know, something combining my skills and my capital.

When it comes down to it, I guess that's what I have now. It would be nice to make a little more money than I'm making now, though.

Re: Ask HN: What kind of personal financial investment do you do?

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That goes likewise for his "pay off your mortgage" advice. If your note is 4.5% and here in the US mortgage interest is tax deductable making your nominal interest rate even lower. So the calculation becomes... paying off that mortgage is like getting a guaranteed 4% return on your money. But there are many low-risk vehicles that can eclipse that. It's possible that you'd want to take that guaranteed 4%, but it's not…

The discount to your mortgage is often quite small since you shouldn't count the entire mortgage interest write-off as a discount, only the amount above the standard deduction. Also, this discount will shrink over time as your interest payments shrink and the standard deduction rises.

You mean only the amount past (standard deduction - state taxes), right?

Even a low 6-figure income for a single person will get you pretty close to the standard deduction in a number of states (California, say) for just the state taxes.

Now if you're married, you have a lot more standard deduction headroom. But you might also have two incomes.

Re: Ask HN: What kind of personal financial investment do you do?

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It boils down to the relationship you have with your money.

  For me, bigger bankroll = higher score.
  For my wife, a bigger bankroll = more shopping.
The trick is to break your money up into several purpose-driven accounts and automate that.

2 Roth IRAs: maxed out (Vanguard S&P500 Index. 1 more year and it'll be 70/30 split with bonds).

1 brokerage: for fun, for research, for programming. Unfunded, no continuing additions. Go big or go home.

3 checking accounts: mine, wife's, joint - the paychecks

2 MMAs: mine, wife's - excess money must go somewhere. One of which is sub-divided into: health, gifts, emergency.

2 savings accounts: tiny siphons ($300/mo) that corrupt my sense of reality. It's money-out that looks like normal transactions.

Hacks: By having a high-deducible health insurance plan, I'm able to put 3k/yr that would have been my insurance premium into a health-related emergency fund. As long as I don't get injured in an at-fault car accident twice in one year, I'm saving tons of money

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Re: Ask HN: What kind of personal financial investment do you do?

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Here's what I do, and hence my advice: * Maximum contribution percentage to a 401k, whenever possible. * Maximum contribution to a Roth IRA. The 401k reduces your AGI, allowing this until you reach quite a nice income level. Even during unemployment, I contribute to my Roth IRA. * Reduce fees! 0.25% interest is wiped out by a single $9.95 fee. I've moved to Charles Schwab for personal money, since they have no balanc…

1-2 years cash on hand sounds excessive, though I understand your point. FWIW, I keep approximately 6 months cash on hand and another year's worth in something slightly less liquid but still liquid enough I could get to it in <6 months time. Like a CD ladder.

Re: Ask HN: What kind of personal financial investment do you do?

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Here is a short answer... My wife and I both contribute maximum contributions to our 401K's (no employer match). This is ~$16.5K/year, and we pick the funds the 401k allocation is invested in. Like any 401k plan, the options are relatively limited anyway. Our larger savings and retirement funds, and some other assets, are managed by a professional. We both have a higher-than-average amount of investment knowledge and…

If there's no match, it's generally advisable to not do this simply BEACAUSE the usually crappy fund selection. You can open your own tax-advantaged IRA.

Yes, but a 401k has an annual contribution limit of 16.5K while an IRA allows only 5.5K in annual contributions.

Ideally, having both accounts would give you 23K of tax-advantaged savings.

Re: Ask HN: What kind of personal financial investment do you do?

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I'm an Australian, so my goals are slightly different.

* I get 9% into my Superannuation account from every employer, period. I add to this an amount to make the government co-contribute (Up to $1500), but I'm no longer doing this as my income is now over the threshold where they will co-contribute. Although in some ways this is "Money in the bank", I'm not doing it ATM as I want to:

* Pay off my debt. I have a credit card and a car loan that I want to nuke. Once they're gone, I'll invest the money I'm using to pay them down.

* Then I'll save up 6 months worth of expenses, and keep that around.

* Then my plan is to invest Warren Buffet style: Pick an industry, learn voraciously, and invest in stocks for their dividend return.

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