Today, my child had their second dose of the MMR vaccine. I'm thankful for the access that we have to healthcare here in Norway. I can't imagine what it is like in the Congo, but I'm grateful that people and organizations are working hard to provide help to people in need.
DR Congo measles: More than 6k dead in world's worst outbreak
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#52Last Week Tonight has a nice episode on Vaccines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VG_s2PCH_c It explains why vaccines are important, why "taking it slow" with vaccines is a bad approach, and other important stuff. Please vaccinate yourself and your kids.
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Proof? A quick google did not bring up the CIA, Congo, and vaccines.
Re: DR Congo measles: More than 6k dead in world's worst outbreak
#53Last Week Tonight has a nice episode on Vaccines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VG_s2PCH_c It explains why vaccines are important, why "taking it slow" with vaccines is a bad approach, and other important stuff. Please vaccinate yourself and your kids.
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The KGB/FSB admitted that they did this
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It is not a prisoner's dilemma, it's an idiot's dilemma. Confronting public idiocy saves lives, literally. I'm intolerant to idiocy, and will shoo away any loonie I come upon, sometimes physically.
This doesn’t sound like a life-saving approach at all. Helps to frame it as the idea, not the person, that’s idiotic. Then work on being a better communicator who’s powerful at getting concepts across.
Entertaining anti-vaccination as a non idiotic concept costs lives.
Maybe stupidity should be ridiculed? We've tried taking it seriously and it isn't helping.
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#55And here I am with a sister who thinks that vaccination for a newborn should be "weighed against the risk". The reason we don't know measles as a deadly disease anymore is because vaccination works so well!
I mean, it should be weighed against the risk. Why not?
The benefit is protection against a deadly disease, for the child and for their community, and the risk is not feeling well for a day or so.
Easy answer.
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It’s not difficult. There’s ample statistical evidence available, and super high quality resources online such as CDC if one wanted to educate themselves. It’s people being lazy and wanting to subject the world to their ego of “I’m so smart because I believe in something contrary to the mainstream or against the establishment”. There’s clear proof of fraud by the idiot that started the nonsense rumors of vaccine harm…
Nope, you misread me, I clearly stated the term "irrationality". I consider myself as educated, though having your own kids and being responsible for their life and well-being is what makes you doubt vaccines, especially when you read about people developing multiple sclerosis or other neurodegenerative symptoms following a vaccination.
I have kids. I have not once doubted vaccines, because I am literate and have a minimum level of reasoning ability.
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She also is not wrong because not even the CDC recommends the measles vaccine until 12 months of age. Hepatitis B is the only vaccine recommend for newborns. The rest are staged out over time, starting at 2 months.
I think the parent comment was implying she was not going to vaccinate until they saw risk, unrelated to CDC recommendation. Many people put off vaccines beyond what the CDC or other health agencies recommend because of misinformation that has been spread.
I don't actually know what's recommended. I was just taken aback by her "we're not sure we're going to vaccinate the child" as if that was somehow optional. At least I got her to agree to listen to a doctor about the risks.
Re: DR Congo measles: More than 6k dead in world's worst outbreak
#58And here I am with a sister who thinks that vaccination for a newborn should be "weighed against the risk". The reason we don't know measles as a deadly disease anymore is because vaccination works so well!
She's not wrong about the need to weigh against the risk. She's just wrong about assessing the risk.
It’s almost like we weigh the risk against the benefit every step of the god damned vaccine development process.
Re: DR Congo measles: More than 6k dead in world's worst outbreak
#59And here I am with a sister who thinks that vaccination for a newborn should be "weighed against the risk". The reason we don't know measles as a deadly disease anymore is because vaccination works so well!
it's not only that measles is in itself deadly, it also resets your immune system and makes it forget a lot of the pathogens it's met before. This leaves the person vulnerable to infections that they should be immune to: https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/measles-resets-the-immune-...
Interesting. Measles could be a revolutionary cure for my diabetes. Maybe I should get measles to reset my immune system.
Yes I'm joking and not going to try.
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Proof? A quick google did not bring up the CIA, Congo, and vaccines.
The most recent accounts I've seen were in Cold Case Hammarskjöld (documentary).
They found a few defectors/whistleblowers that had visited and worked at SAIMR's (South African Institute for Maritime Research) CIA funded labs used to synthesize these bogus vaccines, mainly HIV.