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Re: Nokia CEO: Nokia is "standing on a burning platform"

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Post by sudont »

buster wrote: post #163
blub wrote: post #138

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There is no such thing as a free Android, except if you tear the whole Java user space away. And I'm REALLY curious about why you and 14 other people think that Android is such a good mobile OS. The VM is both a legal and speed liability, the Android UI is not GPU-accelerated and the entire OS is still immature (see the embarrassing bugs with the SMS or the browser security holes).

From a technical point of view the OS is actually the best out there, imo. It's developed from the beginning with handsets in mind and as such has quite some really nice features.

Which technical point of view? From an enterprise standpoint, where it's on par with the iPhone and behind Blackberry, or an API standpoint, where CocoaTouch has about 30 years of development lead-time?

Re: Nokia CEO: Nokia is "standing on a burning platform"

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sethg wrote: post #169
bambax wrote: post #92

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I didn't hear it "once"; it was a central theme of the transformation story; there were posters everywhere, email campaigns, leaflets, etc. all based on the "burning platform" standard playbook. The reality is that the "burning platform" metaphor is a classic story repeated ad nauseam in business schools and business books; see this for example (from 2005): The term “burning platform” is a mainstay in business lexico…

The “burning platform” inspirational stories are probably based on an actual disaster: “Piper Alpha was a North Sea oil production platform operated by Occidental Petroleum (Caledonia) Ltd. The platform began production in 1976, first as an oil platform and then later converted to gas production. An explosion and resulting fire destroyed it on July 6, 1988, killing 167 men, with only 59 survivors. The death toll incl…

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Re: Nokia CEO: Nokia is "standing on a burning platform"

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Post by jarek »

SwellJoe wrote: post #179
jarek wrote: post #166

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50% of the people I know that I know like their Windows phones do work at Microsoft. Even if it was 100%, this still invalidates your original claim.

Point conceded. At least two people like their Windows phones.

Today at work I met a third one. The confirmed user base grew 50% within less than 24 hours! :D

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Post by limmeau »

semanticist wrote: post #175
limmeau wrote: post #157

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I'm aware of the 1EUR contracts (I live in Germany). I was just surprised that most phones in such contracts were supposed to be netlocked. I've bought most of my mobile phones of the past on eBay to use with my prepaid card. I've seen Vodafone, O2 and T-Mobile brandings on them, but I never had to contact the seller because of a netlock problem. I've also found footnotes like "this telephone can only be used on XXX…

Those phones will have been unlocked, either officially by the network or unofficially using unlocking tools. eBay isn't a reliable place to get a sense of the realities of the retail mobile phone market.

Judging from their websites,

I. Vodafone's unlocking page explicitly mentions their CallYa prepaid offers and an outdated brand of "VPA" mobile phones and an "MCC" starter pack[1]. There is no sign of a page for the millions of people with a 24-month contract.

II. The T-Mobile page for old phones [2] lists several models of cellphones; those I recognize look like typical cheap prepaid phones (e.g. the Siemens C35 is there, but not the more expensive S35 of the same era). Their FAQ[3] says that SIM-locks have to be unlocked, but not which phones are locked. It does explicitly say that the iPhone is SIM-locked, which slightly contradicts the premise that all 24-month contract phones are SIM-locked.

III. BASE's FAQ[4] on SIM-locks says that SIM-locks are particularly common with prepaid phones.

While it may still well be the case that most contract phones come locked, it surprises me to read so little of it anywhere.

1. https://www.vodafone.de/privat/hilfe-support/hardware-entspe...

2. http://www.t-mobile.de/sim-lock-entsperren/0,20638,23789-_,0...

3. http://www.t-mobile.de/faq/1,1951,18-_,00.html?vgn_form_enco...

4. http://www.base.de/Fuer-Kunden/Faq/SIM_Karte/

Re: Nokia CEO: Nokia is "standing on a burning platform"

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Post by SwellJoe »

jarek wrote: post #183
SwellJoe wrote: post #179

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Point conceded. At least two people like their Windows phones.

Today at work I met a third one. The confirmed user base grew 50% within less than 24 hours! :D

That's phenomenal growth! If we extrapolate that, in two months there will be 73 billion Windows 7 phones! Microsoft might just turn this thing around, after all.

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PaulHoll wrote: post #118
zmmmmm wrote: post #51

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> Don't forget that only a fraction of people can afford these >= £500 device No - fairly good Android devices are already available for US$150 unlocked (see Huawei Ideos). In the next year they'll fall below $100 and after that they'll be coming free with your breakfast cereal. Elop is absolutely right with his analogy of a burning platform - there's a very real prospect that within 2 years Nokia could be entirely w…

I know very little about the smartphone market, but in the console market, Sony were happy to sell the Playstation at a loss to get the hardware out there. Is this what you are predicting for the smartphone arena? Having the hardware at increasingly lower prices in order to make money on the app sales? Surely, this is the only logical conclusion if Nokia move into an app store-like closed marketplace?

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Re: Nokia CEO: Nokia is "standing on a burning platform"

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Post by yason »

wisty wrote: post #114
erikpukinskis wrote: post #107

This memo is spot on, except for the optimism at the end. I think Nokia is toast. At the end of the day, you can't create a best-of-breed product out of nowhere. You need the core competencies to be already present in your company's DNA. Palm came back out of nowhere and created in the Pre a phone with great usability fundamentals, and an incredibly innovative contact/data management layer. But that didn't come from…

Nokia already produces some of the best phone hardware there is. If they got Android onto it, I'd upgrade in a heartbeat. They also know how to differentiate without creating fragmentation. Most Android products suffer because of fragmentation - different OS versions, different hardware, etc. Nokia should know to create a core platform or 2 (standard screen size, hopefully upgrade support), and then make money on mar…

Nokia could create a fairly vanilla Android phone with Ubuntu style LTS (long-term support) for upcoming Android releases. Buying one of these Nokiandroids, you could be sure to be able to run Android 5.0 in 2014 before the support dies out. Nokia was synonymous with quality ten years ago and while nowadays anyone can order a truckload of tegra2's and whip up a new Android model out of them, the end-user quality sucks because your new phone will be outdated sooner than you can google the Android version roadmap page. Nokia could show that they deliver what people want and still ride a different wave than the Q1/2011 trendweasels.
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