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Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by t0mas88 »

nickserv wrote: post #10
sschueller wrote: post #3

This will be a difficult investigation. As we have seen with other Boeing crashes, Boeing will blame everyone else before admitting anything. Iran for sure won't admit it if they shot it down by mistake and if the US shot it down they wouldn't admit it either.

It'll be a very easy investigation: "pilot error". This way there's no need to dig any deeper.

Luckily the whole industry stopped accepting "pilot error" as a cause for accidents in the 70s. If a mistake by a human can cause an airliner to crash, the processes and checks are wrong and will be changed.

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by jcaprani »

Valmar wrote: post #46
ryeights wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will—-Iran has a history of supporting terrorist groups and activities, and this is no different...

According to Israel, who have been trying, for decades, to destroy Iran. Israel then uses their slave, the US, to do their dirty work for them.

FYI, You're commenting on Hacker News, not the Daily Stormer.

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by Waterluvian »

orangemanrad wrote: post #54
tzfld wrote: post #2

Not related to the Iran-US conflict, it seems.

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Since one of you wackos are here I've got to ask. How deep is the deep state? Like mantle deep or Journey to the Center of the Earth deep? And what do the Morlocks think about its presence?

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by rurban »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #44
ryeights wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will—-Iran has a history of supporting terrorist groups and activities, and this is no different...

Hezbollah doesn't shoot down airplanes full of Iranians heading to Kiev on vacation.

Hezbollah not. But a trigger-happy revolutionary guard, on code RED. Also the mid-air explosion and shrapnel marks in the photos remind everyone on the MH17.

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by leoc »

saberdancer wrote: post #29
tzfld wrote: post #2

Not related to the Iran-US conflict, it seems.

How many new 737's drop down from the sky in a fireball with pieces falling away? All of this without pilot reporting any issues. Things to consider: 1. Iran launched an attack on US bases, their AA forces were on alert 2. Flight was delayed for over an hour, this could potentially appear as an unknown aircraft to an on edge AA crew (if they are operating the missiles each day, they know the routine flights) 3. 737s…

If so, it would be not too unlike MH17 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 , and also a bitterly ironic echo of Iran Air 655 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655 .

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by saberdancer »

kitteh wrote: post #43
beagle3 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could be e.g. the Iranian's shooting iit down due to hairline trigger Iranian defense (or otherwise a mistake identifying the civilian aircraft as enemy aircraft) - in this case, I would say it IS related to the conflict, even though it is entirely on one side.

Given how many other aircraft depart tehran on that same route to the northwest that would be a massive error given how close it is to the airport.

That is what makes it problematic, but then again MH17 was also flying a regular route.

People on edge make mistakes, and this plane was not flying on schedule which could have been what caused them to misidentify the plane. In a normal situation they'd investigate but this was not a normal situation.

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by t0mas88 »

spease wrote: post #23
nickserv wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'll be a very easy investigation: "pilot error". This way there's no need to dig any deeper.

Is there actually any kind of believable “pilot error” that can cause a passenger 737-800 to catch fire in the air and crash?

No, there isn't. And an engine fire does not cause an airliner to crash. We all train those every 6 months in the simulator, if you get that wrong you'll fail the sim check and not get back to flying commercially until you've done remedial training and a satisfactory check fight.

So there is more to this crash than just an engine fire, or simple "pilot error"

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by mikejb »

echelon wrote: post #12

(Edit: We don't know what caused this incident. Speculation follows. It's best to not form conclusions until the experts examine the evidence.) It looks like it was shot down with an air defense missile. You can see the plane on fire as it falls to the earth. Video taken during the crash, the plane is clearly engulfed in flames: https://mobile.twitter.com/isna_farsi/status/121475622529397... Video of the aftermath /…

The Ukrainian embassy reported preliminary information indicates engine failure, and excludes a rocket or terrorist attack as cause. [1]

Particularly at this time, I wouldn't trust random sources on the web to provide accurate information about events.

[1] https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/iran-plane-cras...

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by aaronbrethorst »

rurban wrote: post #64
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hezbollah doesn't shoot down airplanes full of Iranians heading to Kiev on vacation.

Hezbollah not. But a trigger-happy revolutionary guard, on code RED. Also the mid-air explosion and shrapnel marks in the photos remind everyone on the MH17.

The GP made unfounded claims about terrorist groups. I wouldn’t be surprised if you were right, but we should be careful not to conflate different actors.
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