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Re: Comma Two Devkit

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Post by kgraves »

The Comma Two looks like a step in the right direction for making existing cars self driving with open source being a bonus with openpilot.

One can say it is like Tesla Autopilot for any car.

Comma’s products explicitly state you still need to pay attention when driving with their system which is almost hard to ignore.

On a more meta note: I find the comments here ironic given this project fits within the spirit of HN and hacker culture but commenters find this project displeasing.

I agree their marketing is kind of vague and needs improvement, but I encourage HN to view videos of the system in action before jumping to conclusions.

Re: Comma Two Devkit

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Post by kick »

ohazi wrote: post #106
kick wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their tech is within the top two right now, and Hotz has demonstrated a deep responsibility with it. Plus, it's all libre software. Skipping regulators seems fine, given (unlike their competitors) they're acting responsibly. Their eye-tracking tech is really cool, too, and prevents the Tesla problem of drivers losing focus.

Do you have any evidence to support your claim that Hotz has done anything resembling "deep responsibility"? Because from the scraps that I've managed to put together, he seems childish and irresponsible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwcYp-XT7UI

This Lex Friedman interview is pretty explanatory on the topic of responsibility.

A couple of highlights, which point to Comma being at minimum more responsible than Tesla: Comma doesn't advertise itself as anything beyond L2, unlike Tesla; Comma doesn't fuck up eye-detection, it refuses to cooperate with a driver who has their eyes off the road.

Re: Comma Two Devkit

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Post by kick »

Barrin92 wrote: post #110
kick wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their tech is within the top two right now, and Hotz has demonstrated a deep responsibility with it. Plus, it's all libre software. Skipping regulators seems fine, given (unlike their competitors) they're acting responsibly. Their eye-tracking tech is really cool, too, and prevents the Tesla problem of drivers losing focus.

>Their tech is within the top two right now, how can anyone make that statement in the same breath as declaring that dodging regulators is fine? Who the hell evaluates the quality of the product if not regulators? Are we supposed to take George Hotz's or the companies word for it?

You can use it; you don't have to take Hotz's word, or the company's word for it. How everything works is completely open, and it works pretty well. Also, see:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21987585

Re: Comma Two Devkit

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Post by mshockwave »

I think Comma is generally pretty good. The only two downsides are:

1. Some car manufacturers will limit the torque applied to the steering wheel. So Comma can only perform small "drifts" rather than full turns

2. The cooling fan is pretty loud

Re: Comma Two Devkit

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Post by pbreit »

iMuzz wrote: post #19

Quick bit of feedback for any Comma employees lurking: It took me a very long time to realize that this was a self-driving solution for existing vehicles. The hero just says "Driven over 6 million miles" and then a "Buy Now". When I scrolled down and looked at the product and read: > We’ve added an infrared camera to provide 24/7 driver monitoring, an integrated panda, a custom cooling solution, and an OBD-C port wit…

I read the whole website and still not much idea what this is.

Re: Comma Two Devkit

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Post by DesolationJones »

Barrin92 wrote: post #110
kick wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their tech is within the top two right now, and Hotz has demonstrated a deep responsibility with it. Plus, it's all libre software. Skipping regulators seems fine, given (unlike their competitors) they're acting responsibly. Their eye-tracking tech is really cool, too, and prevents the Tesla problem of drivers losing focus.

>Their tech is within the top two right now, how can anyone make that statement in the same breath as declaring that dodging regulators is fine? Who the hell evaluates the quality of the product if not regulators? Are we supposed to take George Hotz's or the companies word for it?

It's open sourced. Everyone is able to evaluate quality.

Re: Comma Two Devkit

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Post by pbreit »

Barrin92 wrote: post #110
kick wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their tech is within the top two right now, and Hotz has demonstrated a deep responsibility with it. Plus, it's all libre software. Skipping regulators seems fine, given (unlike their competitors) they're acting responsibly. Their eye-tracking tech is really cool, too, and prevents the Tesla problem of drivers losing focus.

>Their tech is within the top two right now, how can anyone make that statement in the same breath as declaring that dodging regulators is fine? Who the hell evaluates the quality of the product if not regulators? Are we supposed to take George Hotz's or the companies word for it?

The quality of a product is pretty much always determined by the marketplace, not regulators.

Re: Comma Two Devkit

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Post by chris11 »

person_of_color wrote: post #53
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #16

Comma.ai represents a strange attitude towards life in which you try to turn hard, serious problems (like self-driving), into trivial problems (write some Python and run it on Android phones and plug it into your car!) and try get away with it. It only has a chance of working if you are cool enough in SV such as geohot. I interviewed there once and it was extremely off-putting how clear their demand for fast progress…

Great perspective. Why isn't SDC software held to the same regard as Boeing? The safety framework is the same.

And comma ai deals with regulation by selling dashcams that can drive a car if the user installs hardware and opensource software.

I use open pilot for highway driving and love it. But Comma AI is intentionally making design decisions to get around regulation.

Re: Comma Two Devkit

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Post by derefr »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #16

Comma.ai represents a strange attitude towards life in which you try to turn hard, serious problems (like self-driving), into trivial problems (write some Python and run it on Android phones and plug it into your car!) and try get away with it. It only has a chance of working if you are cool enough in SV such as geohot. I interviewed there once and it was extremely off-putting how clear their demand for fast progress…

> If you ran comma.ai in your car and had a serious crash, you could possibly be found criminally negligent.

I don't know that it's much different than using cruise-control and then having a serious crash. If there's criminal negligence when using cruise control, it's because you weren't aware-enough to shut it off when the conditions cruise-control is built for no longer applied; the mere fact of using cruise-control isn't criminally negligent, as long as you're "just waiting for it to slip up so you can take the wheel."

For that matter, the same is true of teaching a teenager to drive. There's no negligence to having them at the wheel if you're ready to supercede their bad driving at all times.

What's suddenly different, if the "thing that doesn't really know how to drive yet, but which you're ready to supercede the bad driving of" is an AI instead of a teenager?

Re: Comma Two Devkit

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Post by chris11 »

steakin wrote: post #36

"comma two is designed for permanent installation in your car." Okay, what's it do? "We’ve added an infrared camera to provide 24/7 driver monitoring, an integrated panda, a custom cooling solution, and an OBD-C port with power supplied directly from the car." Great, so it monitors cars... For what? Quick movements? What's a panda? I'd be interested if I knew what it was. "comes with three free months of comma prime"…

Their marketing won't change until they are willing to deal with the NHTSA. https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/28/comma-ai-cancels-the-comma...
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