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Re: Comma Two Devkit

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Post by macspoofing »

rvz wrote: post #11

If there is anything about Comma.ai that I have seen beyond the hype of self-driving cars, I see this as substance, unlike the rest of them AI self-driving cars (Except Tesla). The idea to turn your existing car into self-driving rather than spending $$$ on a new one makes sense for those saving money. Comma.ai is for cars what Linux is for PCs, meaning that you use open-source software and a hardware kit to make you…

>The idea to turn your existing car into self-driving rather than spending $$$ on a new one makes sense for those saving money.

You sure this is where you want to save money on a self-driving system?

God forbid there's an accident, what then? There's no big company you can point at for recourse and I guarantee that Comma.ai isn't going to stand by and accepted responsibility - their website makes it clear that the dev kit does not ship with any self-driving software.

>Very clever!

Very dangerous!!

Re: Comma Two Devkit

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Post by big_chungus »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #8
StavrosK wrote: post #3

What is this? The entire site already assumes you know what it does.

So, it appears to be a plug-in system to do automated cruise control and lane assist and driving in stop & go traffic. Out of curiosity, I checked for my car. It says it's not supported. BUT, Comma is open source, so I could add it myself. Does this imply they're encouraging anyone to write buggy code and drive their cars with it?!?

> Does this imply they're encouraging anyone to write buggy code and drive their cars with it?!?

The fact that the comma guys aren't locking it down out of a misguided paternalistic belief that they no better is a good thing. Don't blame them for providing the hardware, blame people if they write buggy code. This is analogous to blaming a firearms manufacturer for a murderer's crime.

Re: Comma Two Devkit

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Post by bugsy924 »

dudus wrote: post #2

I never heard about them. And with the limited information their site provides my initial impression is that this looks incredibly dangerous.

Jump on youtube, plenty of timelapses showing its reliability. The predictability of the system partly removes the danger factor and with the driver monitoring system in place, it becomes very difficult to not pay attention. I'd rather have this driving a car on highways than most people I know

Re: Comma Two Devkit

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Post by bugsy924 »

chrispauley wrote: post #9

The Comma One source code was put online (I think by the author?) and deemed to be incredibly dangerous. If I recall there was very little error handling. Does anyone know what has really changed since then?

Yeah plenty has changed since then, there are limits that are checked twice to ensure the driver is always able to take control. If violated, the car or openpilot throws an error openpilot.comma.ai

Re: Comma Two Devkit

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Post by aza05001 »

iMuzz wrote: post #19

Quick bit of feedback for any Comma employees lurking: It took me a very long time to realize that this was a self-driving solution for existing vehicles. The hero just says "Driven over 6 million miles" and then a "Buy Now". When I scrolled down and looked at the product and read: > We’ve added an infrared camera to provide 24/7 driver monitoring, an integrated panda, a custom cooling solution, and an OBD-C port wit…

Seriously. The website does a pretty crappy job at explaining what the product actually is.

Re: Comma Two Devkit

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Post by oceliker »

iMuzz wrote: post #19

Quick bit of feedback for any Comma employees lurking: It took me a very long time to realize that this was a self-driving solution for existing vehicles. The hero just says "Driven over 6 million miles" and then a "Buy Now". When I scrolled down and looked at the product and read: > We’ve added an infrared camera to provide 24/7 driver monitoring, an integrated panda, a custom cooling solution, and an OBD-C port wit…

Yes. The heck is an "integrated panda"?

Re: Comma Two Devkit

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Post by enragedcacti »

StavrosK wrote: post #10
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, it appears to be a plug-in system to do automated cruise control and lane assist and driving in stop & go traffic. Out of curiosity, I checked for my car. It says it's not supported. BUT, Comma is open source, so I could add it myself. Does this imply they're encouraging anyone to write buggy code and drive their cars with it?!?

I found that after I wrote the comment and had the same question. Also, what does "adding it" look like? Do I have to somehow interface it with the car's computer or other systems? I'm rather confused.

Adding a vehicle is the equivalent to writing drivers (heh) for your particular car. It entails reverse engineering your car's builtin driver assist features to determine which CAN messages do things like actuate the brakes and gas, turn the wheel with a given amount of torque, or communicate radar values from the cars builtin radar sensor.

For many cars the CAN messages will be the same as similar models so porting a new vehicle just means adding tuning values that can be captured by driving with OpenPilot connected but not controlling the vehicle e.g.: https://github.com/commaai/openpilot/pull/866

Re: Comma Two Devkit

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Post by bugsy924 »

aza05001 wrote: post #25
iMuzz wrote: post #19

Quick bit of feedback for any Comma employees lurking: It took me a very long time to realize that this was a self-driving solution for existing vehicles. The hero just says "Driven over 6 million miles" and then a "Buy Now". When I scrolled down and looked at the product and read: > We’ve added an infrared camera to provide 24/7 driver monitoring, an integrated panda, a custom cooling solution, and an OBD-C port wit…

Seriously. The website does a pretty crappy job at explaining what the product actually is.

it's a dashcam with a passive driver assist system, the openpilot stuff is a separate product meant to be installed onto the "comma two" by the user

Re: Comma Two Devkit

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Post by labster »

oceliker wrote: post #26
iMuzz wrote: post #19

Quick bit of feedback for any Comma employees lurking: It took me a very long time to realize that this was a self-driving solution for existing vehicles. The hero just says "Driven over 6 million miles" and then a "Buy Now". When I scrolled down and looked at the product and read: > We’ve added an infrared camera to provide 24/7 driver monitoring, an integrated panda, a custom cooling solution, and an OBD-C port wit…

Yes. The heck is an "integrated panda"?

Maybe the target customer is the King of All Cosmos.

Re: Comma Two Devkit

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Post by kissgyorgy »

iMuzz wrote: post #19

Quick bit of feedback for any Comma employees lurking: It took me a very long time to realize that this was a self-driving solution for existing vehicles. The hero just says "Driven over 6 million miles" and then a "Buy Now". When I scrolled down and looked at the product and read: > We’ve added an infrared camera to provide 24/7 driver monitoring, an integrated panda, a custom cooling solution, and an OBD-C port wit…

I only knew from your comment what is this after I came back from the site spent minutes trying to find out. For a couple of seconds I only saw the "Buy now" button and I though "Buy what the fuck?" Really annoying design.
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