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Laptop OEMs – make a proper high-end AMD laptop

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Re: Laptop OEMs – make a proper high-end AMD laptop

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With all these CES announcements, it's sadly too late to save devices shipping later this quarter. :(

You're right, but it's a good time to highlight the problem with all the attention on AMD products now. Hopefully someone's listening and can point to this to influence, however slightly, opinions in a constructive manner.

Re: Laptop OEMs – make a proper high-end AMD laptop

#93
post #28

For some reason, I do not expect Dell or HP or anyone big to release a decent, high quality workstation with AMD inside. HP has consumer laptops with Ryzen, and they're the cheapest sheet possible, as expected. I believe Dell does the same. By decent and high quality I mean socketable CPU, GPU and RAM, as well as a good selection of ports (forget TB if it's not possible, give me eSata) and high quality displays (even…

Some of the better pieces of hardware have been gaming laptops that feature desktop parts, which I believe are also socketable/replaceable. Not sure how far you can get with them, but that's one area I also hope to see growth in AMD-powered offerings.

Re: Laptop OEMs – make a proper high-end AMD laptop

#94
post #36

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There's really no conspiracy. Hardware builders just have other requirements. If AMD"s laptop chips were really better so far (this is actually very debatable), they were by a slim margin for some use cases. Not enough to offset existing business agreements with Intel, the more mature Intel laptop platform (it's more than a CPU, but also motherboards and wireless chipsets) and Intel's more mature - and already existi…

Users don't want to switch, either. I won't take a chance on an AMD machine to save a couple of dollars. Maybe I'm being rational, maybe I'm not, but I'm sure I'm not the only consumer who feels this way. I want to buy the "happy path" when I'm getting a product.

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Re: Laptop OEMs – make a proper high-end AMD laptop

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"There needs to be display options well above FHD/1080p." With a 13 inch screen, 1920x1080 is at the pixel density (150) where someone with 20/20 vision won't notice pixellation from a distance of 24 inches. Even with a 15 inch display (density = 128) you're still pretty damn close. Realistically, it would make no difference in usability to go beyond 2560xwhatever in resolution on a laptop, and even that's already ge…

People use laptops at far closer than 24 inches, though? Not all the time, sure. But it's kind of half the point of a laptop to be able to use them where you can't just clear out two feet to put between your face and the screen. You can get that much space in an economy seat if you don't have a head, maybe.

That seems like a weird situation to optimize for. 24" between your laptop screen and your face is really not a lot of space.

Re: Laptop OEMs – make a proper high-end AMD laptop

#96
post #70

Reading through the comments proves different strokes for different folks. It took me quite a while to find a laptop I'm completely happy with. I ended up with a (late-2019) Razer Blade Stealth (with gtx1650). I do run the internal screen at 1080p (at 100%) and I couldn't imagine running it at 4k. My older 13" macbook has higher resolution, but you end up having to scale it anyway (In reality, I think it's actually d…

TIL that in 2019 people still have DPI problems with their software.

It's 2020 now, friend.

Re: Laptop OEMs – make a proper high-end AMD laptop

#97

They did: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15213/the-microsoft-surface-l... Spoiler alert; it does _not_ show the AMD chip in a good light. Will be interesting to see if Zen 2 does better.

It was not the best of comparisons [0]. tl;dr they had different memory and the AMD hardware was older generation (nothing better available, it's true) compared to the Intel. There were other differences too.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21976211

Re: Laptop OEMs – make a proper high-end AMD laptop

#98
post #84

I will be not so easy. Big OEMs are bound by the supply chain. Small OEMs are dependent on solution providers. Intel pays to solution providers to not to work with AMD in China. That's pretty much on the record, and not a secret to anybody in the industry. And for big OEMs, the supply chain trumps everything. Idling assembly lines are extremely costly for them. One week idle can easily wipe out 1+ month of profits fo…

> Intel pays to solution providers to not to work with AMD in China

Wasn't there literally a US antitrust case about this?

Re: Laptop OEMs – make a proper high-end AMD laptop

#99
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post #32

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Me neither, but I look at eGPU enclosures regularly. I don't even need the GPU power, but a desktop card is miles ahead of a laptop if well cooled and overclocked. Will consume a lot of power though, and it definitely doesn't look like a portable solution.

Overclocking is something I never cared about, the prospect of being forced to buy new hardware was never appealing to me.

The risk of breaking anything by overclocking is really low anymore - you'll run into instability long before you damage anything. The best argument against overclocking IMHO is that the time and expense is generally not worth it. With a CPU overclock you might gain 10% performance while consuming 30% more power, after investing time and fancy cooling solution. Gone are the days of rapid improvement when you could occasionally get a stable 33% overclock with no real downside.

Re: Laptop OEMs – make a proper high-end AMD laptop

#100
post #17

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I would appreciate a high-end 15" AMD "clunker" with an amazing screen, though. Preferably a ThinkPad. But such a thing is nowhere in sight either, no? I can't work with laptops smaller than 15".

Lenovo has a bunch of AMD ThinkPads (X395, T495, and T495s at a 14" size, E595 at 15") with Ryzen 3000 series CPUs, but the 15" model is from the E series which isn't one of their high-end series. The T495 and T495s seem to be a really nice machines though, even before a Ryzen 4000 refresh: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T495-Review-bu... - quote: "Overall, we have to admit that the ThinkPad T495 is th…

Generally speaking Lenovo has been on top of Ryzen, especially since Zen+
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