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Re: Ask HN: What kind of personal financial investment do you do?

#31
I'm building a company and investing in it.

I may be crazy but I rather invest in myself that in a company I have no control over. When the time will come, I'll sell it and get most of my money out of it. Maybe reinvesting in another and make more out of a better initial investment.

I already created thousands of dollars from an initial 500$ investment and time.

Does someone else here thinks like that?

Re: Ask HN: What kind of personal financial investment do you do?

#32
After a failed startup where I went without salary for nearly a year, I found myself 30 years old, with 2 car payments, 15K in credit card debt, and $0 in the bank. This forced me to reevaluate my relationship with money : )

Step 1 was digging myself out of the hole, which didn't take too long -- paid off the cars and the CC debt.

I use EmigrantDirect for a Savings Account, they pay 0.9% on balances currently, generally they are very competitive. Transfer are easy.

I use an EmigrantDirect Mastercard for all my purchases. If you maintain a greater than $10,000 balance in your savings you get a 1.4% cash back on all purchases. Doing this is a nice way to handle things, all your bills are consolidated, and you get cash back. Of course pay it off in full each month, treat it like a charge card, not a CC.

I do not currently get a match on my 401K, and I do not like the investment options much, therefore I do not use it -- I instead max out a Roth IRA, and put money into a taxable account.

I tried very hard during the downturn to push as much money as I possibly could into stocks, ignoring whatever fear I felt. As things have rebounded I am sitting on a portfolio with very nice paper returns. I favor companies with high ROE and what appear to be sustainable cash flows. I favor international exposure. And I like dividends.

I am however finding it difficult to find that much to invest in currently, my money has been going into cash for some time.

I'm not really sure what comes next...I still consider houses overpriced relative to rents, tho depending on what inflation may do, it might make sense to purchase one. Still pondering that one.

Re: Ask HN: What kind of personal financial investment do you do?

#33
You want to diversify. So, if you have a significant portion of your money invested in a startup, I think you would want to be a lot more conservative with the rest of your money. You can real safe with bonds or cds. I also look for old, boring mutual funds, that have been around a long time, and get good performance.

Although, I haven't gotten around to implementing it, I think there could be a powerful concept, which I'll personal hedging. The idea is to think of your investment as a hedge against the costs of things you want to buy in the future. So, suppose you are investing to retire. 1) Track your expenses 2) Figure out what your expenses will be when you retire. 3) Buy proportional share of the value chain for all the companies you will buy stuff from. Presumably, you want it waited to cover all your expenses. Now, this can get tricky because you may spend a lot of money with companies that aren't public, and some industries may be in a bubble. Further, you will have to shift your investments to reflect industry shakeups. For example, if you change your mind about what products you like, you would also change your portfolio. Industry changes would also affect, who in the value chain gets the profits, and conglomerates or weird capital structures can make this a bit tricky, but I think it is a powerful concept.

Re: Ask HN: What kind of personal financial investment do you do?

#34
post #13

Individual stocks, although I'm thinking of switching to just index funds (e.g. if dow jones index go up I earn money.) since constantly researching on companies become quite time consuming.

If you find stock trading interesting, you could also allocate a portion of your money as "play money", then leave the rest in funds.

Also, you'd probably want to go with a more broad-based index than DJIA or S&P500. Many fund companies have a "total stock market" funds where they attempt to literally buy a piece of every US stock, weighted by market cap, so you'd effectively be owning "the US stock market", rather than just large companies. There are also total international funds which do the same thing for all non-US stocks.

Also also, you should include bonds if you aren't already. Like with stocks, there are total bond market index funds for this.

In fact, if you just picked an allocation across "total stock", "total international" and "total bond" you'd pretty much be set. This is what Vanguard does for their target retirement funds: https://personal.vanguard.com/us/funds/vanguard/TargetRetire...

Re: Ask HN: What kind of personal financial investment do you do?

#36
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I own a lot of physical gold and I bet a lot on sports. On reflection, that's not as "normal" an investment strategy as I was thinking.

To chime in, sports odds arbitrage is a great investment vehicle for smaller funds. One can also kick-start the process with some bonus bagging...

Re: Ask HN: What kind of personal financial investment do you do?

#37
A Roth IRA, maxed every year, is my main form of "real" investment. I try to put about 75% into index funds and 25% into handpicked stocks, which are my concession to desire to gamble.

I don't buy bonds or CDs -- I'm young enough that short-term loss is a non-event, since nothing short of "my children are starving on the street" will induce me to touch the Roth ahead of schedule. Wild volatility doesn't matter because I only check the account about once a year anyhow -- the only concern is maximizing expected 40-ish year returns.

I generally try to keep a few thousand in cash to cover unexpected expenses, although my discipline with that has left something to be desired as of late. (I'll say this for being a salaryman: I never had to deal with wild swings in my paycheck, and haven't quite mastered the trick of doing so yet.)

Re: Ask HN: What kind of personal financial investment do you do?

#38
max out Roth IRA every year. max out 401k every year. I have a savings account from ING with an emergency fund that should last us about 4-5 months if we both lost our jobs. I also have an individual stock account.

I mostly invest in the s&p500 ETF (IVV) and high dividend yielding stocks. I also have AAPL and GOOG from long ago that I'm still invested in. Unfortunately I didn't buy very many shares of those. I have other individual stocks. I'm not a trader, I hold onto those stocks for a while.

I have a 30year mortgage for my house. I'm not in a big hurry to pay it off, even though we pre-pay a little. I rather use the money to put it into my savings or investment accounts.

Re: Ask HN: What kind of personal financial investment do you do?

#39
post #8

A good person to read up on is Vanguard's founder John Bogle. He's the champion of low-cost/low-fee index funds. I'm pulling this straight from his wikipedia page: "Bogle argues for an approach to investing defined by simplicity and common sense. Below are his eight basic rules for investors: - Select low-cost index funds - Consider carefully the added costs of advice - Do not overrate past fund performance - Use pas…

Could you explain "Don’t own too many funds"? Is that just because of fixed per-fund costs?

It hurts your ability to rebalance efficiently, and makes things more complicated than is necessary.

Additionally, if you're at a fund company with different share classes based on balance, you also get higher expenses by dividing things up too much. Eg Vanguard's Admiral shares reward you with a lower expense ratio for having more money in a given fund, since it lowers their own overhead.

Re: Ask HN: What kind of personal financial investment do you do?

#40
Google "Investment pyramid". It basically says have mostly safe investments; I use long term income real estate. Have some mildly risky, medium yield investments; I use a mix of stocks, bonds, and mutual funds (this includes my 401k). Then have a small amount of high risk high yield investment; I have some speculative stock. This would be the place for your start-up investment.
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