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Laptop OEMs – make a proper high-end AMD laptop

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Re: Laptop OEMs – make a proper high-end AMD laptop

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Such laptops are usually pretty bulky/heavy, or they have a very low-end discrete card. They're a compromise.

15" Thinkpad, Asus and Dell workstation laptops are pretty alright.

Great machines, sure, but it's still (to me) a compromise. Right now I have a Macbook pro for portable use and a full-on workstation at home with a 20870Ti in it for playing with ML and CUDA, and for gaming.

I love the idea of having one machine and just plugging in to an external GPU caddy when at home for the full capability. Unfortunately MacOS and Nvidia cards aren't friends right now...

And the laptops that have got discrete GPUs are both heavier than the ideal (I'd like a portable machine coming in at 1kg or less) and far less capable than the 2080Ti.

Re: Laptop OEMs – make a proper high-end AMD laptop

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Good timing! ASUS are showing off a pile of their ROG-branded gaming laptops at CES, which have 7nm, 8 core, 16T Ryzen 4000-line CPUs with RTX2060 (mobile) graphics cards, with fast screens, all in a 14" form factor. Certainly not workstations but still, considerably more powerful

More at LTT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGUESEq75ZI

Re: Laptop OEMs – make a proper high-end AMD laptop

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We're the "nonexistent" market of IT consultants with high incomes that need a high-end laptop. As a third-party to my clients, I cannot rely on the availability of external monitors, keyboards, docking stations, or WiFi. I lug around a heavy Clevo laptop with a 17" 4K screen, 2x RJ-45 ports, quad-core 4 GHz CPU, and 64 GB of memory. These are my minimum requirements, and practically nothing meets it any more! Clevo…

I've thought about making (well, more about 'having' it to be honest) a 'semi-portable' computer for people like us. Basically a briefcase that when folded open would 'swing out' two screens. Maybe you would fold it over so that the rest of the case (where the mobo etc are are in) would work as a stand for the monitors. You wouldn't be able to use it on a couch or plane but it would give you a vastly superior experie…

There are vast untapped markets that are being totally ignored. As in, you can't vote with your wallet because there's literally nowhere to put your money.

Very few laptop manufacturers allow key customisation (e.g.: using laser engraving). None allow a choice of keyboard (e.g.: with or without a keypad, with or without dedicated ins/del/home/end/pgup/pgdn keys, separate arrow keys, [fn] button left or right of [ctrl] etc...)

Nobody makes laptops with really good HDR screens and HDMI inputs capable of RAW recording. There's production crews out that there that will happily drop north of $10K for something like that.

Similarly, there's only a handful of laptops with non-key inputs, such as shuttle/jog wheels and the like.

I don't think anyone on the planet makes OLED 4K screens in the 16 to 20 inch range. They're just not made, for any purpose, let alone laptops.

I've never seen a 17 inch or larger laptop with a narrow bezel. They all seem to add an extra inch on both sides just to waste precious space.

There are telco engineers out there who would appreciate a laptop with a built-in QSFP+ connector. In general, laptops with > 1 Gbps wired network connections are very rare or borderline non-existent.

Very few laptops have built in GPS, although this is slowly becoming more common.

I bet there's a lot of field engineers (think oil exploration, forestry work, etc...) who would appreciate a large, capable laptop that's semi ruggedized. As in, not a shoebox with bumper bars designed to hammer nails in, but merely rainproof. Think cooling fans but with the fans outside a sealed electronics compartment so the water isn't sucked in.

I'd like to see internal power-supply as an option to replace the battery. Alternatively, the option to switch between two batteries or one battery plus integrated PSU.

I'd like to see high-wattage PSUs optimised for weight instead of cost. My 130W PSU is a literal brick in size, shape, and weight. It doesn't have to be, and Apple has demonstrated that this is possible, albeit at a slightly higher cost.

Again... the race to the bottom is fine if selling laptops for Moms and Dads that need to buy their kid something for school, but it's not okay for the high-end that professionals are looking for.

Re: Laptop OEMs – make a proper high-end AMD laptop

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The Asus ROG Zephyrus G14 pretty much has all this. David Lee even has a raving review about the Zephyrus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v5IzvVTw7A

This looks like a killer laptop. Love the exterior pixels. Hope linux will run on it.

> Hope linux will run on it

Me too. The cover "pixels" and the custom "caching" fingerprint reader are the sorts of features that easily get left behind proprietary drivers (for no good reason).

I really wish the EU would use some of their GDPR-focussed zeal and mandate that peripherals must either have open spec sheets or function on open APIs. I'm not suggesting that manufacturers have to write drivers, just ensure that anybody else can.

Re: Laptop OEMs – make a proper high-end AMD laptop

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"For as long as I can remember, AMD-powered laptops’ potential have been intentionally shortchanged by OEMs for any number of reasons – perceived lower value, kickbacks from Intel, or sometimes legitimate performance limitations."

Seems to be a reason missing from that least - very-low demand.

There are clunky low-end intel laptops just as much as there are AMD laptop ones. If enough people show they are willing to buy these than high-end AMD laptops will sprung up a few minutes after.

Re: Laptop OEMs – make a proper high-end AMD laptop

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what about an amazing 14" with the quality screen of a MacBook, a newer Ryzen 7 4800U/H, 32/64GB RAM and a PCIe 4.0 Drive. And no RAM/SSD is soldered

As much as I hate it, I think it makes business sense for vendors to solder. You can "upgrade" by buying new. I can't imagine the business value of such a laptop - esp now that hardware improvements are slowing down (for the typical use case)

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Thunderbolt-3 is the way of the future. People are building thunderbolt 3 external chassis with a gaming card and extra storage in lieu of having a desktop computer and a laptop computer.

Or just get a laptop with dual graphics card, having a gaming/workstation class card I don't own a desktop since 2004.

Every laptop I've used is thermally limited if you try to do anything interesting computation wise. Simple things like 8 minute compiles turn into 12 minutes on a laptop, with fans at full blast.
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