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For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now a hot commodity

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Re: For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now a hot commodity

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I don't know anything about tractors but I would assume that those used in developing countries are less "digitized" and probably easier to repair so does this open up a market for them to export? Or are they too "inferior" in terms of features that this is not feasible?

For example, I would assume that, India being a largely agricultural economy, has a pretty strong base of farming equipment. Is this an opportunity for them?

Re: For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now a hot commodity

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My grandfather, rest his soul, was a 3rd generation rancher and farmer. He bought 2 John Deere tractors in the '80s and used them for 35 years. They are still being used to this day on the ranch. Growing up, I visited the ranch regularly. Farming and ranching is very hard on equipment so the tractors often needed repair. My father and grandfather could seemingly fix anything on the tractor without even needing to go…

Tractor as a service will only bite them back. Look at how popular 40-year old tractors are :) It's never been a better time to create a good old repairable machine.

> It's never been a better time to create a good old repairable machine.

Especially now "right to repair" is gaining traction and reducing waste is becoming a social issue.

Re: For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now a hot commodity

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> Here's a neat idea: maybe regulating software engineering like other engineering disciplines is actually overdue? Yet at the same time, failure rate will never be zero. Please could you describe this more? I’m intrigued. I don’t know anything about this and what systems or mechanisms are used to regulate engineering, so any links or simple explanations are appreciated!

Overview of professional engineer process: https://www.nspe.org/resources/licensure/what-pe . It varies from place to place (although transferrable from country to country via the Washington Accord https://www.ieagreements.org/accords/washington/ ). If you want to e.g. build a bridge it needs to be signed off on by an appropriately licensed and qualified Professional Engineer. Essentially the parent comment is saying…

Thanks a lot!

Re: For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now a hot commodity

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Comment from a tractor-owning friend:

That's a very good piece capturing a lot of the issues (esp GPS retrofitting which is easy and make a huge difference).

The one thing it doesn't quite draw out is that the market has segmented. If you are a small to mid farmer you have fairly low demands for horsepower and can tolerate small breakdowns you can fix in the field. So buying an older machine makes sense.

If you are a big farmer or a contractor (person with a big tractor/combine/machine who hires out) you need high horsepower and 18 hour a day operation without breakdowns. as in fleet purchasing for trucks they have rolling finance for high capital value kit to replace it every couple of years having run up high hours.

The modern electronic high power kit is quite amazing, it's not gratuitous use of electronics. Electronics also important for meeting modern emissions regs.

Tractors, as the piece points out have to be ultra rugged for field work and that means that the older stuff does last well and 100hp or over will get you a long way.

Re: For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now a hot commodity

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We recently had to bin a beloved TV, and were looking for a "simple" 4k TV (i.e. not a smart TV ) to replace it, and were surprised to find that they simply don't exist! We ended up uncovering a 6 year old 1080p TV that was still in the box at Best Buy. All in all, this problem might present an opportunity -- there might be new markets for these types of devices (dumb TVs, tractors, refrigerators, air conditioners, t…

Just don't hook the "smart TV" up to the internet. Then you have a dumb TV.

What happens when smart TVs start coming equipped with their own cellular connections for phoning home.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21900246

Re: For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now a hot commodity

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Thanks for sharing this about your grandfather. > The world changes and sometimes it sucks but that is how progress is made. This touches on something I think a lot about. Massive driverless farms, in my mind's eye, looks like one puzzle piece towards the utopia of the future. But you do lose the human aspect. It reminds me of Star Trek where Picard is working with his hands on a vineyard. Capitalism is abolished so…

I think the transition from capitalism to Star Trek Utopia is where basic income guarantee can be very helpful

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Re: For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now a hot commodity

#428
would not importing tractor from abroad like Europe make more sense financially? you can buy them for peanuts here and my understanding is you can drive whatever you want on your private property in US, so you don't need to care about some complicance with norms

I just checked classifieds and tractor here in Czechia with 20yo replaced engine will cost you 5000EUR, newer up to 10000EUR, still way cheaper than prices they quote

or why is no brand taking this market by hit with some cheap basic tractors like did Dacia in car industry in Europe? seem it should be hit judging by article, just sell tractor without electronics with old design from 80/90s

Re: For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now a hot commodity

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post #147

We recently had to bin a beloved TV, and were looking for a "simple" 4k TV (i.e. not a smart TV ) to replace it, and were surprised to find that they simply don't exist! We ended up uncovering a 6 year old 1080p TV that was still in the box at Best Buy. All in all, this problem might present an opportunity -- there might be new markets for these types of devices (dumb TVs, tractors, refrigerators, air conditioners, t…

Just don't hook the "smart TV" up to the internet. Then you have a dumb TV.

they are still way slower because of software than regular dumb TV

Re: For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now a hot commodity

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I share your sentiment. In the case of farming is not so much progress as regress, at least in many cases. For example, in Europe farmers can get the money from the EU, but only if they use certain seeds. So basically there are a couple of crops to choose from that get repeated year by year. What happens to the soil is a great disaseter. Obviusly nobody can use more natural kinds of fertilizers these days and the foo…

Can you clarify the money for use of certain seeds bit? I'm quite interested in EU affairs and hadn't heard of this. I'd expect something that wouldn't give money for certain seeds but this seems like that turned around.

Yeah, EU farm subsidies are problematic but they're also notoriously mis-reported, so this needs proper citation.
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