Prior to World War II, Japan had massive syndicalist groups and labor unions that caused enough disruption to win universal male enfranchisement. Now, they have “black companies” working people to death with near impunity, while online mobs of right-wingers celebrate their behavior. Quite a horrifying trajectory. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoshi
How do you define "universal male enfranchisement“ and how do you prove that claim?
7-Eleven Struck Back Against an Owner Who Took a Day Off
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
I imagine you understood what I meant by "not fun", but ok. I suppose my view is, if you can't plan ahead for your trivial purchases, I don't really care. I'd rather just shut the store down and let you bemoan the fact that you can't buy snacks and Tylenol at 3am.
Reach outside of your bubble and realise there are likely tens of thousands of people in your city who live a different schedule to you, for work and other needs like care and support. There is room for a night time economy based around the people and services that run while you sleep in your standard schedule. Big cities wouldn't be possible without the efforts of people on AM heavy schedules.
Also not to forget, if there are people awake at night without outside pressure, then there's probably people fine with working at night.
In Germany you can't work on Sundays. I always wanted to work on Sundays as a student, Fridays and Saturdays were worse, since that's the only days where most social gatherings happen.
On the news I hear people saying they don't want to force people to work on Sundays. I'm thinking maybe, just maybe, not everybody is the same.
I even agree we need limits. But how about limiting it to working 5 days a week, instead of picking an arbitrary day where you can't work.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
What’s really odd is that this is an article at all. In a world where billions of things happen every day, how does a garden-variety franchisee contract dispute in Japan become an article in the New York Times?
Because it helps one of the narratives they've been pushing for at least a decade: "business all bad, people being exploited, we are their/your champions", never mind any actual truth.
There is so much exploitation going on that surely they can find something that's actual exploitation.
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#44This would be fine if he was running a store without the 7-11 name/brand. As a business owner, I do empathize with him. He wants to be his own boss and make his own hours, but he still needs to keep his commitment or he needs to dissolve it the right way. As a customer - this would be piss me off so much. There is a 24 hour fitness that I used to go to that closed at 10 pm. HOW IS THAT OKAY?? (this was years ago and…
Uh 7-11’s name came from the fact it was open from 7am to 11pm originally, so being open 24 hr/day is not an inherent promise of the brand.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Shame on you for not reading the article. The entire point was that as a small franchise owner he has to work 24/7 on the clock every day of the week due to the company off-loading all of the risk and issues onto the owner. You don't see a problem with a company mandating that their employees work every single hour of every single day?
You make it sound like you don't know seven eleven is supposed to be open 24/7/365. That's their whole shtick. If the owner didn't like it he could have opened a normal grocery store. No one forced him to go to 7-11.
And you sound like you didn't read the article, like the other poster I was responding to.
The issue isn't necessarily that they're open 24/7. It's that they offload all of the risk and management of that onto their franchises. If a local 7-Eleven has trouble hiring people to work late night shifts, then the expectation is that the owner is supposed to work it 24/7. You MUST be open 24/7 every single day of the year and as the article demonstrates, shutting down for even a day means losing everything.
I'm not surprised to see people on HN defend such incredibly hostile and toxic work environments, but I am disappointed. Why don't you try working such hours and see how things work out for you and your family?
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#46> He said that 7-Eleven had offered to pay for his remaining inventory — owners are responsible for buying their own products from the company at wholesale prices This feels like an American MLM scam, just tuned to be actually profitable for the "owner" under normal conditions and therefore sustainable. (Is this normal for legitimate American etc. franchises too, or is this specific to Japan's setup?)
Not really the same thing, but I used to work for a small food business that sold bottled/canned drinks from a fridge via a contract with Frucor (New Zealand), and the prices they charged wholesale to this small business were often higher than what you could buy the drinks for retail at nearby supermarkets.
Would it have been illegal to buy and resell stock from the supermarkets?
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#47Aren't there a crazy number of convenience stores everywhere in Japan, and where not, there are vending machines? Also, I find something incredibly cozy about my city going to sleep at night. Almost nothing is open, not even most convenience stores, and I just find that so cozy.
I'm the opposite. I like knowing that at 3am there's somewhere that's open where I can buy things like contact lens fluid, pain relievers, etc. (7-Eleven happens to have those)
While unrelated to the point you are making, I would suggest daily contracts - more hygienic, and don’t require fluid. I used both types and like dailies way better.
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#48> He said that 7-Eleven had offered to pay for his remaining inventory — owners are responsible for buying their own products from the company at wholesale prices This feels like an American MLM scam, just tuned to be actually profitable for the "owner" under normal conditions and therefore sustainable. (Is this normal for legitimate American etc. franchises too, or is this specific to Japan's setup?)
Not really the same thing, but I used to work for a small food business that sold bottled/canned drinks from a fridge via a contract with Frucor (New Zealand), and the prices they charged wholesale to this small business were often higher than what you could buy the drinks for retail at nearby supermarkets.
Not that uncommon, that is why during some sales you see people buying up as much as they can, to stock their own stores.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
You make it sound like you don't know seven eleven is supposed to be open 24/7/365. That's their whole shtick. If the owner didn't like it he could have opened a normal grocery store. No one forced him to go to 7-11.
And you sound like you didn't read the article, like the other poster I was responding to. The issue isn't necessarily that they're open 24/7. It's that they offload all of the risk and management of that onto their franchises. If a local 7-Eleven has trouble hiring people to work late night shifts, then the expectation is that the owner is supposed to work it 24/7. You MUST be open 24/7 every single day of the year…
You seem to be under the impression that a franchisee is an employee of the franchisor. That is not the case. The franchisee lost his rights because he did not adhere to the terms of the franchise agreement. That's business. Nothing to see here.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a franchise. It's a very common model and while you may not like it, it is not a scam.
But at no point did OP claim it was a scam? They even ask if this is normal for American franchises, instead of accusing 7-11 of predatory behavior.
> This feels like an American MLM scam
OP pretty directly implied it.