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Google files opening Supreme Court brief in Oracle v. Google copyright lawsuit

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Re: Google files opening Supreme Court brief in Oracle v. Google copyright lawsuit

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the lawsuit will now be known as Google v. Oracle, since Google asked the Supreme Court to hear the case. After nine years, we’ll have to get used to calling the case by this new name Interesting. Poetic. Google can’t win this fight (if they win) as a defendant, only as an aggressor.

> Google can’t win this fight (if they win) as a defendant Sure they can (and it's the only way they can), if they win at the Supreme Court, it will be as a Defendant-Appellant. And if, as is often the case, the final formalization of the victory comes on remand back to the trial court from the Supreme Court after the Supreme Court declares the controlling law, that victory will be as a simple Defendant.

Thanks for the clarification. IANAL.

(It’s been a beautiful saga. I hope they make a movie out of it.)

Re: Google files opening Supreme Court brief in Oracle v. Google copyright lawsuit

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What great PR speak. The core topic of the article is an update in the ongoing copyright legal dispute between Oracle and Google. But the title and opening paragraph invoke an ethos of justice, which inherently frames Google as a valiant champion defending freedoms for its users.

In fairness, they are. The entire industry sans Oracle is against Oracle on this one.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/18/18-956/89487/20190...

Re: Google files opening Supreme Court brief in Oracle v. Google copyright lawsuit

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This is coming from a whole lot more than just Google. They are the ones who will lose money in the immediate lawsuit, but we all stand to suffer if Oracle's interpretation of the law is held up. Don't take my word for it, take the word of the entire software community who has weighed in on this to support google in the form of amicus briefs (which I really do encourage you to read). Here is a partial list of other g…

> This case isn't about Google making or loosing some money, Google being open or not. None of the amici care about that, the supreme court doesn't care about that. Only Google and Oracle care about that. ... I don't think there's much support here for Oracle winning on its claims. But this particular subthread was pointing out the hypocrisy of Google trumpeting "Openness in all cases!" These are two separate and unr…

What's wrong with Android? Isn't it fully open-source? I thought you could compile your own version and flash it onto a bootloader-unlocked phone

Re: Google files opening Supreme Court brief in Oracle v. Google copyright lawsuit

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> This case isn't about Google making or loosing some money, Google being open or not. None of the amici care about that, the supreme court doesn't care about that. Only Google and Oracle care about that. ... I don't think there's much support here for Oracle winning on its claims. But this particular subthread was pointing out the hypocrisy of Google trumpeting "Openness in all cases!" These are two separate and unr…

What's wrong with Android? Isn't it fully open-source? I thought you could compile your own version and flash it onto a bootloader-unlocked phone

A lot of people aren't fond of how much functionally is tied to Google Play Services, which is not open source

Re: Google files opening Supreme Court brief in Oracle v. Google copyright lawsuit

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> This case isn't about Google making or loosing some money, Google being open or not. None of the amici care about that, the supreme court doesn't care about that. Only Google and Oracle care about that. ... I don't think there's much support here for Oracle winning on its claims. But this particular subthread was pointing out the hypocrisy of Google trumpeting "Openness in all cases!" These are two separate and unr…

What's wrong with Android? Isn't it fully open-source? I thought you could compile your own version and flash it onto a bootloader-unlocked phone

In reality not fully open source:

> Android's source code does not contain the device drivers, often proprietary, that are needed for certain hardware components. As a result, most Android devices, including Google's own, ship with a combination of free and open source and proprietary software, with the software required for accessing Google services falling into the latter category.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)#AOS...

Re: Google files opening Supreme Court brief in Oracle v. Google copyright lawsuit

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What's wrong with Android? Isn't it fully open-source? I thought you could compile your own version and flash it onto a bootloader-unlocked phone

In reality not fully open source: > Android's source code does not contain the device drivers, often proprietary, that are needed for certain hardware components. As a result, most Android devices, including Google's own, ship with a combination of free and open source and proprietary software, with the software required for accessing Google services falling into the latter category . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An…

I don't think anyone expects the Android OS to be a collection of entirely open source device drivers.

Those proprietary drivers are specific to the myriad of hardware that the OEMs are running the OS on. You can still run Android on any hardware you have the drivers for, or emulate it in a virtual machine.

Re: Google files opening Supreme Court brief in Oracle v. Google copyright lawsuit

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Who here remembers Groklaw? PJ was covering Oracle vs. Google with the same level of detail that she used on SCO vs. IBM. Coverage ran up into the first appeal, when she stopped updating the site. • The list of all Oracle vs. Google filings (up to the site's closing), with links to articles that mention them. Not all filings had corresponding articles: http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=OracleGoog... •…

Stopped updating it for a reason -- http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20130818120421175

Has that site been hacked? When I use Chrome's simplified view there is a paragraph injected talking about and linking to live porn.

Re: Google files opening Supreme Court brief in Oracle v. Google copyright lawsuit

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Stopped updating it for a reason -- http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20130818120421175

Has that site been hacked? When I use Chrome's simplified view there is a paragraph injected talking about and linking to live porn.

> http://

no donkey in this race but how sure this is not you and your circumstances rather than the site itself? Living in certain countries my ISP used to inject all sort of nonsense into every unencrypted site they could.

Anyone not using tls these days is intentionally exposing their readers to harm, which you seem to be experiencing.

Personally I won't view such sites on principle and block them with https-everywhere, though guessing many others do allow it, due to being the default setting worldwide.

Re: Google files opening Supreme Court brief in Oracle v. Google copyright lawsuit

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Who here remembers Groklaw? PJ was covering Oracle vs. Google with the same level of detail that she used on SCO vs. IBM. Coverage ran up into the first appeal, when she stopped updating the site. • The list of all Oracle vs. Google filings (up to the site's closing), with links to articles that mention them. Not all filings had corresponding articles: http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=OracleGoog... •…

Groklaw was a daily read for me in the Caldera era. :-)
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