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The senatorial governance of Bitcoin: making (de)centralized money

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Re: The senatorial governance of Bitcoin: making (de)centralized money

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The two are not unrelated. If a protocol change creates a forked chain then acceptance of that protocol change is determined by mining the forked chain.

I do not think that is true. The winning chain will be the one where most people accept the coins from. Miner will only follow.

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Re: The senatorial governance of Bitcoin: making (de)centralized money

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Not having read the article but having participated in Bitcoin "production" a decent amount[1], I see a lot in common between Bitcoin and the organization of the intentionally non-hierarchical Quakers.

Quakers, despite being religiously-motivated to pursue non-hierarchical expression[2], necessarily adopt organizational structure: committees, clerks of committees, group decision-making about who will take certain roles, i.e. "meetings for worship with attention to business." There is some natural and arguably necessary inclination toward roles and authority for the sake of organizational clarity and efficiency.

What it does not have is empowered leaders with explicit authority, rather positions are cast as being in service of one another, in organizing groups of effort rather than controlling the outcome of the group, and thus tend toward eliciting the active participation of all. Care and attention are taken to minimize the gravitation toward arbitrary and unaccountable authority.

Bitcoin takes a similar approach - necessary roles expressed in service of one another / the general effort, with attention toward guarding against arbitrary or negative expression.

The other side of this relates to thought leadership - in some sense speakers naturally have authority via the Pareto Principle's natural tendency to distribute virtues unequally. However, by embracing a consensus-oriented development practice, the general perspectives are a check against individual mistakes or abuses by those empowered by position or circumstance.

I think maintaining the balance between the gravity of centralization vs the beauty and safety of decentralization requires a continuous effort. Thankfully, it is not solely up to the developers to ensure this - developers, node operators, and miners can each and all be active by refusing to upgrade or otherwise by forking the codebase. I would say that's the key ultimate check against the centralization, that every individual has the ability to vote with their node / personal activity. I'll be curious to hear if the article addressed any of that.

[1] https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commits?author=Empact

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testimony_of_equality

Re: The senatorial governance of Bitcoin: making (de)centralized money

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In the same vein: Could we perhaps have the titled changed to something more descriptive? "The senatorial governance of Bitcoin: making (de)centralized money" better describes that this is about the governing process of the protocol development rather than mining.

The mining is also pretty centralised these days: https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/mining/pools/ And the Chinese company that produces the most asic miners (Bitmain)... also runs a mining pool. Gambling. In a Casino. Shocking.

Yes, true, and as the paper points out they are related. But the mining centralisation story is basically "water is wet" in 2020 for people interested in this. And as a many commenters here show, the mining centralisation problem is being thought about in technological ways ($BUZZWORD)...

The paper seems to focus more about the political/organisational problem, which to me seem more inherent and harder to solve.

Re: The senatorial governance of Bitcoin: making (de)centralized money

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Note to commenters: In this context "Bitcoin production" is not mining; they're talking about the development of the protocol being centralized.

The two are not unrelated. If a protocol change creates a forked chain then acceptance of that protocol change is determined by mining the forked chain.

Not really. Although some forks are specifically programmed to require a miner vote, that's not the default case, and isn't how bitcoin cash, sv, or the etherum upgrades have worked. It's not very common these days.

Re: The senatorial governance of Bitcoin: making (de)centralized money

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Bitcoin decision making is channeled down a funnel: Core Developers make suggestions and the Lead Developer (and those given commit access) sign off on those decisions. Those decisions are then voted for by miners who are (relatively) centralised in that roughly 5 mining pool companies control the vast majority of hashing power used to vote on those decisions. Meanwhile large wallet/exchange companies who control vas…

Holders of Bitcoin also have a say in what forks are viable.

Holders of bitcoin are the only people who don't have a say. Buyers, miners and developers decide what is and is not viable (in roughly that order). Holders have a say only as much as they are still buyers.

Re: The senatorial governance of Bitcoin: making (de)centralized money

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I still hope that they listen to reason and increase bitcoin’s ability to scale. We are all held hostage by a tiny cabal of developers that think they know what is best and want bitcoin to have a perversely small block size and pitiful 7 transactions per second top speed.

Re: The senatorial governance of Bitcoin: making (de)centralized money

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mining is also pretty centralised these days: https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/mining/pools/ And the Chinese company that produces the most asic miners (Bitmain)... also runs a mining pool. Gambling. In a Casino. Shocking.

Yes, true, and as the paper points out they are related. But the mining centralisation story is basically "water is wet" in 2020 for people interested in this. And as a many commenters here show, the mining centralisation problem is being thought about in technological ways ($BUZZWORD)... The paper seems to focus more about the political/organisational problem, which to me seem more inherent and harder to solve.

i don't wanna be that guy but...

ah who am I kidding, of course I do!

is water actually wet tho?

Re: The senatorial governance of Bitcoin: making (de)centralized money

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I still hope that they listen to reason and increase bitcoin’s ability to scale. We are all held hostage by a tiny cabal of developers that think they know what is best and want bitcoin to have a perversely small block size and pitiful 7 transactions per second top speed.

I didn't know it was that bad. That couldn't scale to a small city =/

Re: The senatorial governance of Bitcoin: making (de)centralized money

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I still hope that they listen to reason and increase bitcoin’s ability to scale. We are all held hostage by a tiny cabal of developers that think they know what is best and want bitcoin to have a perversely small block size and pitiful 7 transactions per second top speed.

Lightning network solves this as do many other things (liquid sidechains)

Re: The senatorial governance of Bitcoin: making (de)centralized money

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I still hope that they listen to reason and increase bitcoin’s ability to scale. We are all held hostage by a tiny cabal of developers that think they know what is best and want bitcoin to have a perversely small block size and pitiful 7 transactions per second top speed.

I didn't know it was that bad. That couldn't scale to a small city =/

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