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Re: New Cambridge Analytica Leaks

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I am still confused as to how democracy is threatened by any of this complete horse shit of a scandal. "micro-targeted" ads? You mean advertising to a person and not a group of people? So, instead of saying "this guy like this stuff", the ads say "this guy like the brand you buy"?

I am just lost on how any of this crap played any kind of outcome in any voter choice anywhere.

Did the ads lie to people? Did the ads vote for people? Whats the deal?

To believe any of this crap is to believe that people are forced at gunpoint by an ad to vote a certain way.

complete nonsense.

Re: New Cambridge Analytica Leaks

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post #145

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The statement that the stolen data was used for the campaign is contradicted by the interview link provided.

Ah, I see what you mean, yes: it's denied by the campaign manager.

In the immortal words of Mandy Rice-Davies, well, he would say that, wouldn’t he?

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post #45

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Because the Democrats don’t want to hear that they lost because they chose Hillary to run instead of almost anyone else. That “it’s her turn now” was complete BS that messed up things even for us people who have never set foot in the States. I can see the Democrats making the same mistake again with Michelle Obama in 4 years’ time if they don’t win this round, I only hope she’ll be smart enough to stay out of it. On…

> Because the Democrats don’t want to hear that they lost because they chose Hillary to run instead of almost anyone else. If by “the Democrats” you mean “the center-right neoliberal Democratic establishment”, sure. The rest of the Democratic Party has been saying that was a deciding factor (though not the sole deciding factor; there are a number of things you could take away and flip the result) since the day after…

> If by “the Democrats” you mean “the center-right neoliberal Democratic establishment”, sure.

Yeah, that's what I mean, and from across the Ocean it looked like those people "controlled the narrative" (to use an "americanism") well after the elections. I have to admit though that the recent prominency of both Warren and Sanders (who's less demonized compared to 4-5 years ago) make me think that those "center-right neoliberal Democratic" people you mention might have lost their grip on the party, which would be a really interesting development.

Re: Michelle Obama: she'd still be regarded as "dynasty" material, no matter how long she'll want to spend in Senate or as a potential State governor. And I have a feeling that if Trump wins it this year she'll be looked at in 2024 as a potential saviour for the Democrats and for the nation itself.

And then there's also the elephant in the room, i.e. race. Afaik Obama left aside almost all mentions of race during his 2008 campaign, or at least made them as brief as possible, for obvious electoral reasons (and those reasons proved out to be correct, as he won said election). He also didn't put much accent on race relations inside the US during his presidency, not even during his second term. I have a feeling a potential candidacy coming from Michelle Obama won't be able to leave the race thing on the side like her husband managed to, things have changed a lot in the meantime (and one could say that 4 more years of Trump will change things even more regarding this subject), can't see a potential Michelle Obama presidency campaign managing to be race-agnostic, at least not in this day and age and in this tense political climate.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Re: New Cambridge Analytica Leaks

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I remain unconvinced that Cambridge Analytica had any material impact on the election. Please give me some hard evidence to the contrary. This whole scandal seems like a red herring onto which people project their a) anger about their losing candidate or b) their personal and often unsubstantiated beliefs about the "harm" they could experience due to "big data".

how would you prove the inverse of this? i.e cambridge analytics didn't have any material impact.

I think most are basing it on the assumption that CA with the help of Facebook could target millions of americans in a personalized way and display ads that would nudge them to a certain political candidate.

No way to say it's a guaranteed method, but it's as effective as bill board marketers proving their ads change people's opinions about a brand.

That's where most of the presential election fund raises go to anyway right? to reach out to people and sway their opinion?

Re: New Cambridge Analytica Leaks

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He was “presidential” and anti-corruption before it was cool: https://www.c-span.org/video/?187762-1/united-nations-headqu...

Whatever claims of anti-corruption he may have made in the past kinda fell out the window when he appointed his family to key political positions, one would think.

...for example?

Re: New Cambridge Analytica Leaks

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post #67

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My understanding is that the most significant nonconventional heuristic that Cambridge Analytica got from FB data and exploited was by using FB like data to approximate OCEAN personality scores for almost all voting Americans using this technique [1], and then targeting correlations between people's big five ratings and their succeptibility to differnet types of marketing, such as targetingpeople high in neuroticism…

I'm sure people claim you can find the best voters using their special astrology method also. The FB algorithm already takes in 1000s of black box factors that are going to work better than some unproven personality score hogwash.

The Facebook algorithm optimizes for Facebook's preferences, not yours as an advertiser. If your goal is to scare people then click-through is no longer your KPI, for example. I think you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss the huge potential potential advantage, particularly when it comes to fear-based political advertising, of backing out psychological profiles of people to refine targeting.

Re: New Cambridge Analytica Leaks

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was “presidential” and anti-corruption before it was cool: https://www.c-span.org/video/?187762-1/united-nations-headqu...

you're clinging to a fantasy

Which CNN article should I use to light my path instead? Or you more of a Washington Compost guy?

Re: New Cambridge Analytica Leaks

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post #40

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Reality TV star? Or are you just cherry picking something that can be made to sound unfit for office? How about American business magnate and billionaire playboy who even in his 70s was loved enough by the public to become a TV star? Yeah I just played the opposite card but for the sake of balance and honesty, here: https://www.c-span.org/video/?187762-1/united-nations-headqu... https://youtu.be/CXmXd1xrBUQ

You're going to be down-voted to oblivion on hacker news, but I do agree with the general point that, the post you're replying to saying "'reality TV star' vs 'politician subject to decades of effort and millions spent to make said history checkered'" is needlessly political and doesn't belong on hacker news (same as your post).

fair enough, perhaps I should restrain myself from rebuttals in the future... but it was just too tempting

Re: New Cambridge Analytica Leaks

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Whatever claims of anti-corruption he may have made in the past kinda fell out the window when he appointed his family to key political positions, one would think.

...for example?

I don't understand your question. If he is ostensibly anti-corruption, the rampant and obvious nepotism is counter to that goal.

Unless he is simply anti-corruption that doesn't benefit him directly, in case rampant and obvious nepotism is not incompatible with his goal (but, I assume, not what voters were actually hoping for when they elected him).

Re: New Cambridge Analytica Leaks

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post #27

Probably the most useful takeaway from CA's approach is that it's useful to realize how malleable opinions are of large swaths of "independent" voters. Ad experts and entertainment companies have known this for decades, but I get the sense the average American citizen still thinks of themselves as a free and independent thinker and not a product of their environment. Problem is, even if they are a free and independen…

I'm a professional FB marketer and have managed both large budgets for private companies and also done political campaigns. I guarantee the trump campaign doesn't use the low quality Cambridge Analytica scraped data in their targeting. They either use voter file records or lookalikes (like everyone else does). All CA data so released so far has been useless, untargeted stuff. Think about where the data originally cam…

I have some tangential experience here in analytics and advertising, including non-ad social campaigns, and from what I've seen the reporting in the press is likely just the tip of the iceberg. Additionally, much of the focus on the advertising element has distracted from broader and more powerful influence campaigns that operated outside of ads.

From an advertising performance standpoint yes, lookalikes and segmented email lists might perform best on the basis of maximizing engagement, shares, etc. that traditional reporting would suggest. But for a political campaign, enhancing the precision of issue-based messaging to target specific groups should theoretically have yielded gains beyond what the FB algorithm would optimize for – which would likely be more generalized based on in-platform behavior, and muddied by swaths of broadly viral content. While the desired signals might lie somewhere within Facebook's black box, I doubt that the algorithm is generally optimized for this type of political work, when FB's real money comes from driving product sales, signups, etc. In the cases of these political campaigns a lot of this content extended beyond spin to blatantly false information (i.e. made up / completely fake news, inflammatory memes, etc.) – therefore the variance in messaging could be unfathomably massive, limited only by the ability to generate huge amounts of content, which is where content / troll farms came into play.

And advertising aside, the Senate intelligence reports from a couple months ago suggested that the most powerful and far-reaching operations run by CA and similar parties were not based on advertising, and moreso around Facebook groups, Twitter bot / follower networks, and Instagram influencer spheres – recruiting real people into them, then propagating information within (e.g., a 2nd amendment group, run by false avatar accounts aligned with this voter profile, recruiting similar actual users in, and then propagating the desired information within). I've personally seen prior examples from 2014 of these types of mass influence campaigns, namely in the 2014 Senate race in North Carolina, where the seat was flipped to Tillis (R) from the incumbent Hagan (D).

If they had account information / emails, psychographic data, voter rolls, and were operating across platforms – the richness of the data would dictate how far you could go with it. According to the Senate report many of the hired trolls maintained multiple accounts across multiple platforms, were given marching orders each day for messaging, and quotas for performance. Match that with sheer manpower to create content to feed across these platforms, and enough horsepower on the analytics side to optimize based on performance, and you're staring into a frightening abyss.

We'll likely never know how far this went, but based on the data points I've seen from my own work and various reports on the CA / Russia campaigns, I see no reason why something this powerful couldn't exist with enough data, and enough money to put it to work.

The senate intelligence report is essential reading on the topic: https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/docu...

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