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Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

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Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

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I've been away from the bay for a while, but it's amazing how bad the dating scene is, for exactly the reasons you described. I'm currently engaged to an amazing woman who has only ever lived in working-class suburbs and smaller cities. Her exes and her friends' husbands are shockingly anti-intellectual, didn't attend college, have some substance abuse issues, and/or make well under 6 figures. She keeps telling me ho…

> Engineers in places like SFBA severely underestimate how attractive they would be anywhere else in the country/world. I agree completely. > Her exes and her friends' husbands are shockingly anti-intellectual, didn't attend college, have some substance abuse issues, and/or make well under 6 figures. Here's what happened: Guys who are intellectual, attended college, have good discipline, and stayed away from substanc…

if what she cares about is income, that's pretty damned sad.

Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

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My dude, I hope you realize that you're only one crappy and traitless newly hired manager or technical leader away from being extremely miserable at your job.

Curious why do you say that?

Because such an unimaginative character will see no value in your input and will ignore everything you have to say, perhaps even going as far as excluding you from the decision making process and withholding information from you, therefore undermining your position within the organization. Don’t think it can’t happen to you, because it can.

Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

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Yeah this is crazy to me too. I don't work in software, I teach engineering at a local tech institute and I make like 55k Canadian. I'm fairly autonomous in that as long as I fulfill my class hours and workload I'm free to work from home and all that. I have a great work life balance and I love it but the pay is abysmally if I want to start a family in the future and save for retirement. I've started getting into sof…

30 year old dad of a 2 year old. I did software dev fulltime for 3 years then a consultant for the last 5. Having the flexibility to be at my kid's doctor appointments and go to the park on a weekday is cool. But I pay for it with either not getting things done or staying up way too late and killing myself. I'm just now starting a more traditional 9-5 schedule (still as a consultant) and I'm hoping that will translat…

I don't mind having a 9-5 as long as it means I definitely finish at 5 and don't have to take my work home with me. I guess it depends on the company and what their work life balance is.

Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

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Facebook hires tons of zero passion 10am-4pm engineers. It might not be deliberate slacking but it’s definitely not hard working.

"Zero passion 10am-4pm" doesn't necessarily describe not working hard. You can only do three to five hours of sustainable deep work a day unless you're a freak of nature. Usually anyone saying they do more just pads it out with breaks on Hacker News or Facebook, or has failed to automate the repetitive work in their job. A focused, organized engineer can pretty well exhaust their sustainable capacity plus do their ov…

Yes, passion and slacking are not mutually exclusive. I am very passionate about the industry I'm in and the importance of the type of work I do, but....

Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

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I would love to know what Brin, Page or Pinchai would think about this entire thread? I have a friend who joined Google a couple of years ago, and he said that working at Google has killed his love of coding. He comes into work, does minimal work, and then goes and works out. So this sounds like a common theme. I'm curious how the founders and CEO would feel if they saw this or if they think this is just an aberration?

Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

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> You can expect some hundreds/thousands dollars per year This is not correct. A senior (meaning L5-L6+, nothing crazy) engineer at a big public tech co will get 6 figures yearly in stock compensation in addition to their salary.

Sorry, but this is urban legend to me. No saying it does not happen, but that is definitely a very special case. I manage a team of quantitative developers in a Hedge Fund and do between 50 and 100 interviews per year, at senior level. I have head hunter compensation report on the candidates. I see regularly candidates from Google, Amazon, and finance industry. I very rarely see 6 digit bonus for big techs. My experi…

I didn’t say anything about a bonus. These are stock packages.

Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

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Move to South East Asia instead. Burgeoning tech scene, some incredible nature, dating is considerably easier, both with locals and other expats, health care is first-rate and a couple of orders of magnitude cheaper ... "a rural state" sounds like all the worst bits of living in the US.

I've visited a few countries in SE Asia and could never see the appeal of living there longterm, at least in the metropolitan areas. The food and living costs are cheap but in return you get terrible air quality and lack of clean tap water.

Costa Rica is where I landed. Pretty nice. Let me know if you need advice.

Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

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I think you're downplaying something here. You got hired as a manger, so at the very least, you must have had a pretty prosperous and impressive background as an engineer for some time. You might be cruising now, but snapshots of one's life are hardly the full story.

Oh sure that’s definitely true. I have a strong resume. At some point I just stopped having to do any work, and instead of trying to “fix” it I just went along with it. Another key element is there’s no way I’ll ever get promoted. I decided I don’t care. The difference between making 500 and 800 or whatever is sort of meaningless after taxes.

You don't have a boss who wants you to do x y or z?

Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

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> Engineers in places like SFBA severely underestimate how attractive they would be anywhere else in the country/world. I agree completely. > Her exes and her friends' husbands are shockingly anti-intellectual, didn't attend college, have some substance abuse issues, and/or make well under 6 figures. Here's what happened: Guys who are intellectual, attended college, have good discipline, and stayed away from substanc…

if what she cares about is income, that's pretty damned sad.

In her defense, I don't think she only cared about income. But she could easily screen out everyone making less than seven figures, so she started from that reduced pool, then further screened it for personality, etc.

Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

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Wait, is this why we can never seem to get past 3% GDP growth? B/c a huge percentage of our smartest people are utilizing their smarts to figure out how to coast as lazily through life as they can while optimizing their "observed personality"? This explains a lot. But, it is not something I haven't suspected. What would it take to change this? To allow productivity, growth, and proper compensation? It is not just sof…

There's data that shows that people basically reach max happiness at only earnings of "merely" $80k, so of course there's no real need to try any harder even when you're getting paid more than that.

Bigger GDP is probably only possible by getting more people up to 80k.

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