I wish that progressives used a similar framework that they did 100 years ago--to tax unearned income (land rents, monopolies, windfalls) while encouraging earned income. If you care about unearned vs earned income, then it does make sense to try to tax the asset holders whose assets ballooned in value due to reduced interest rates over the past decade.
Wealth and Taxes
21–30 of 52 posts
Re: Wealth and Taxes
#22There are definitely problems with most wealth tax proposals, but I think the author understates the generational differences in opportunity that emerge from massive wealth inequality. As I stated in another thread, perhaps the best solution would be to combine the two for a wealth-based income tax. If you're already worth 20M, should you be paying a higher rate on your 500k in interest than if you just sold your fir…
I'd like to see a georgist tax regime[1] and monetary expansion managed via a citizens dividend. But the current monetary system will only be pried from the cold-dead hands of our elites, so I'm not optimistic.
Re: Wealth and Taxes
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article is definitely not "missing" the political angle; that part is addressed. The point is that it's indeed a question about politics , not economics. By advocating that people having 1 billion in assets should have some of their assets taxed away, you're essentially saying that our political processes are so screwy that on average , someone with say, 1 billion in assets can be expected to use the flaws of our…
Why does a tax have to be proportional to "real, actual damages"?
Re: Wealth and Taxes
#24Tax income over a longer time window, and you get closer to a wealth tax without all the problems. The longer the time window, the more it is a wealth tax.
Re: Wealth and Taxes
#25There are definitely problems with most wealth tax proposals, but I think the author understates the generational differences in opportunity that emerge from massive wealth inequality. As I stated in another thread, perhaps the best solution would be to combine the two for a wealth-based income tax. If you're already worth 20M, should you be paying a higher rate on your 500k in interest than if you just sold your fir…
Until we address the monetary system I don't see how much else matters in restraining the elites. Generational wealth will just move even more so into non-taxable things like art, favors, interlocking directorships, foundations and so forth. I'd like to see a georgist tax regime[1] and monetary expansion managed via a citizens dividend. But the current monetary system will only be pried from the cold-dead hands of ou…
Regardless, I think the obvious flaws in our current system make a very big difference and should be addressed, rather than holding out for a utopian pipe dream.
Re: Wealth and Taxes
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Brookings tends to be mainstream American Democrat, which on tax issues is solidly to the left of the developed world consensus. (The US is the highest in the OECD for how much of tax revenue it derives from progressive taxes. Democrats are seriously proposing wealth taxes, which are unusual in Europe and were recently eliminated in France and Sweden.) Here is an interesting article on NPR on a politically diverse se…
That NPR article is a very strange collection. # 2: End the tax deduction companies get for providing health-care to employees. Right now, large employers receive a group discount from whatever insurance provider they choose. So to bring down healthcare costs in the US, which are 4 times that of the civilized world, this motley crew of economists suggests to eliminate the group discount. That'll work. # 3: Eliminate…
So, as a social policy... when Joe Plumber is considering going out on his own, how much advantage do you want to give Mega-Plumber-Co against him? Right now Mega-Plumber-Co gets the advantages of cheaper health insurance, no corporate tax, and can easily amortize the cost of certification/licensing taxes.
With regards to #4 specifically, consumption taxes are the most economically efficient. This is a social policy that encourages thrift, which is bad for mega-corps but good for the individual. If the regressive nature of consumption taxes concerns you, you can just partner them with a dividend check paid to all citizens.
Re: Wealth and Taxes
#27There are definitely problems with most wealth tax proposals, but I think the author understates the generational differences in opportunity that emerge from massive wealth inequality. As I stated in another thread, perhaps the best solution would be to combine the two for a wealth-based income tax. If you're already worth 20M, should you be paying a higher rate on your 500k in interest than if you just sold your fir…
Re: Wealth and Taxes
#28This completely misses the political angle. Someone with 1 billion in liquid assets can affect the political landscape more than 1,000 people with 1,000,000$ in assets. Similarly to how someone making 50 million per year has more than 1000x the disposable income of someone making 50k/year. That’s what’s corrosive about wealth inequality. It’s why the marginal tax rate declines at very high incomes. It’s not about doc…
> That’s what’s corrosive about wealth inequality. It’s why the marginal tax rate declines at very high incomes. It’s not about doctors vs landscapers because doctors don’t have political power relating to wealth. Tax rates decrease at the very top of the income spectrum because our tax codes make a deliberate choice to preferentially tax investments and capital gains. You’re assuming that choice is the result of “co…
Why don't we make some more tax brackets up top and tax dividend + capital gain income more like income?
Re: Wealth and Taxes
#29There are definitely problems with most wealth tax proposals, but I think the author understates the generational differences in opportunity that emerge from massive wealth inequality. As I stated in another thread, perhaps the best solution would be to combine the two for a wealth-based income tax. If you're already worth 20M, should you be paying a higher rate on your 500k in interest than if you just sold your fir…
Say I own a business that has $250k in assets but does $10m/yr in revenue. Does that add to my wealth? How do you value owning a business?
I still maintain the easiest solution is to fix and improve graduated income brackets. They are so ridiculously broken and most likely the main driver of increased wealth inequality in the US over the last few decades, and yet somehow are not the focus of the issue. We also already have the infrastructure to measure economic income activity -- it's just tweaking rates and thresholds.
Re: Wealth and Taxes
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Brookings tends to be mainstream American Democrat, which on tax issues is solidly to the left of the developed world consensus. (The US is the highest in the OECD for how much of tax revenue it derives from progressive taxes. Democrats are seriously proposing wealth taxes, which are unusual in Europe and were recently eliminated in France and Sweden.) Here is an interesting article on NPR on a politically diverse se…
That NPR article is a very strange collection. # 2: End the tax deduction companies get for providing health-care to employees. Right now, large employers receive a group discount from whatever insurance provider they choose. So to bring down healthcare costs in the US, which are 4 times that of the civilized world, this motley crew of economists suggests to eliminate the group discount. That'll work. # 3: Eliminate…
That’s not what they’re talking about. They’re talking about the fact that when your employer pays premiums for your health insurance, that a not considered taxable income. That is regressive (higher income people get more health insurance benefits).
> Yes, Joe Plumber's firm pays corporate tax in PA, but any multinational with a decent lawyer pays no tax anywhere. Incorporate in Bermuda, license the IP. In the interest of fairness one could abolish corporate tax, but one could also come down on tax oases. Why isn't that even suggested?
The idea of licensing IP from Bermuda captures the media’s imagination, so there is a lot of coverage of such efforts, but it actually doesn’t add up to much. Most companies simply can’t take advantage of such tricks because they don’t deal with intangible products. Wal-Mart’s effective tax rate is 25% for example. The average effective tax rate for the S&P 500 was about 18% in Q4 2018. That’s higher than the average effective corporate tax rates in say the Netherlands.
Corporate tax avoidance just isn’t a very big deal. Estimates are that legal corporate tax avoidance costs $100-240 billion in revenue across the entire OECD: https://fortune.com/2019/10/16/corporate-taxes-unpaid-g20-su.... That’s just 1.7% of the $15.6 trillion those countries raise in taxes each year. Why does so much media ink get spilled about such a small issue?
> We are supposed to have a consumption tax instead. The wealthier you are, the more likely are to invest. Less wealthy people do not have that luxury, what comes in goes out that month. It seems to be an attempt to shift the tax burden away form the politically connected class.
It’s an attempt to shift to consumption taxes, which economists broadly agree are the most efficient kind of taxes. Which circles back to my original point. You perceive the policy in terms of its effect on the “politically connected class.” But there is a rational, economic reason to favor such a tax regime even if the wealthy didn’t have greater political connections.
The “political connections” reasoning doesn’t hold water to me. We’ve always had rich people. But over the last 50 years, pretty much every developed country has dramatically reduced corporate and investment taxes. Are the rich more politically connected than in 1970? I don’t see any reason to believe that’s true. What has changed over that period is economic theory on taxes. That seems to be the real cause.