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Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

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Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

#121
In my experience, most medium to large size companies are primarily comprised of people doing what your doing. Most places you could lateral to would get what they expected. I think it’s totally fine to do that and let the rest of your life be the more important thing.

Now, if pushing your career forward is what you really want, people in a new company will start to notice once your putting in the effort and communicating what you accomplish. There’s no trick to it, just putting in the effort on the tasks you take on and being thoughtful about how to accomplish them in a way that is focused on the company’s goals.

Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

#122
Well, here's how Karl Marx put it:

"What, then, constitutes the alienation of labor? First, the fact that labor is external to the worker, i.e., it does not belong to his intrinsic nature; that in his work, therefore, he does not affirm himself but denies himself, does not feel content but unhappy, does not develop freely his physical and mental energy but mortifies his body and ruins his mind. The worker therefore only feels himself outside his work, and in his work feels outside himself. He feels at home when he is not working, and when he is working he does not feel at home. His labor is therefore not voluntary, but coerced; it is forced labor. It is therefore not the satisfaction of a need; it is merely a means to satisfy needs external to it. Its alien character emerges clearly in the fact that as soon as no physical or other compulsion exists, labor is shunned like the plague. External labor, labor in which man alienates himself, is a labor of self-sacrifice, of mortification. Lastly, the external character of labor for the worker appears in the fact that it is not his own, but someone else’s, that it does not belong to him, that in it he belongs, not to himself, but to another. The worker’s activity is not his spontaneous activity. It belongs to another; it is the loss of his self."

Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

#123
......I don't know what to say. I know a few people are like this too. On the other hand, I think I do a lot of things for my employer and constantly learn/challenge myself, but don't make anywhere near FAANG SWE. I am trying hard to pass onsite FAANG interviews, and still failing. So I'm still Leetcoding now.

But hearing stories like this just kinda demotivates me and confuses me more. Most non FAANG companies have no interest in keeping people who wants to stay purely technical like me, so in the end I'll have to end up at FAANG/unicorns to get better compensation. But on the other hand, joining FAANG seems soul crushing.

Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

#124
If you're looking to have kids eventually, your job situation is perfect for that: good salary and low stress.

If you're having issues with dating and work at Google HQ, the problem may be that you're in an area over-saturated with your demographic (nerdy 20-something men). Strongly consider seeking a transfer to another office, any(?) of which will have more favorable area demographics for dating.

Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

#125
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If you can not only survive at Google but slack along well enough to get promoted once on "10% of your mental capacity" I'd stay right where you are. You aren't going to find a better place to earn money for equivalent effort and it sounds like you've already adapted to the ecosystem. Sounds like you need an interesting side project or just a meaningful hobby. Don't go looking for the missing sense of fulfillment you…

Some of the advice is about expanding yourself, that's good advice. Some of the advice is about how you milk your current position. You said 6 years in industry so I'll take that at face value. Without promotions I'm assuming you'll be working till retirement even at google. Even an early retirement at 55 or 60 is another 25-30 years of this. Unless you're a hero out of Dilbert fiction you won't be able to milk thing…

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Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

#126
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It's sad and revealing to see the other comments here. Many of them say, don't seek fulfillment in your job, just keep on cruising. What a change from the exciting atmosphere of the 2000s. Seems like software engineering has become a safe, dull career nowadays. Don't listen to them. Your 20s are the time to learn, push yourself and discover who you are. Autopilot is for middle age.

Software engineering just isn't that hard. Tedious yes, but not remotely difficult. We've been fed the narrative of economic success that many folks have forgotten what personal success looks like. You can be successful in your career and still feel like a failure. Therapy is the answer here. You have to un-brainwash yourself from the notion that your job is your life and figure out what really matters to you. Then f…

How do you figure out what really matters?

Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

#128
Using about 10% of your mental capacity for your job is absolutely a good thing, if you're still doing what your company expects from you. This means that you still have 90% for yourself, and that's awesome.

If you don't feel challenged enough, seek intellectual activities (of ANY kind, as long as you enjoy it. Code, study, read, play an instrument, whatever) outside of your job. They will be much more satisfying, because you will have complete control over when and how do you engage in them. I've been doing this for many years and it's one the most satisfying aspects of my life, if not the most.

Also, being kind of a veteran (35yo), let me tell you this: be careful what you wish for. You seem to be enjoying a job that doesn't stress you or burn you out. If you start working at a company where you don't have that any more, there is a very good chance that you will miss the sustainability (in terms of mental health) of your current one.

TLDR: if your job pays the bills and doesn't offer challenges, great. Look for challenges in other areas of your life to maximise happiness.

Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

#129
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I’m in the same boat as you. I’ve been working at the same tech company for 6.5 years making around 500 (used to be 1.2 but my stock grant ran out). I only show up one day a week to have lunch with friends and do nothing. My advice is to keep the money flowing and do something else on the side.

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Re: Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How can I stop this?

#130
You remind me myself a few years ago: a talented, but bored slacker who didn't see any point in investing any energy into that project. Turns out I was right: the project didn't go anywhere after I left and investing any extra time would be a clueless thing to do.

So what's changed since then? Have I found meaning in work? No! I've become a professional slacker who knows all these psychological tricks, knows what body language to use to make the desired impression, what to say and what not to say. My managers think I'm a high performer who also makes valuable social contributions to our team and this is reflected in pay rises. I see my mission at work in carefully educating the overly enthusiastic co-workers by dropping a few seemingly random hints or observations that make them think and challenge their beliefs.

Work is just work and unless you're curing cancer, you shouldn't put any effort into making some billionaires richer. Just do the minimum, get your paycheck and appreciate the fact that you don't need to worry about money. Very few people in the world have this level of freedom.

But life is quite a bit more interesting than it seems. Learn applied psychology to understand what drives people. Learn about all these LLCs, corps, trusts and other fun stuff. Talk to a lawyer and try to start your own company. No need to leave your current job: you can use the gained knowledge to hide traces, while still being very legal and very cool. Even if you get caught, use the learned psychology tricks to negotiate: you may even find yourself in a VP position as few people can covertly pull this type of stuff. Even if it doesn't work, there is nothing to lose: 50 years later the only thing you will regret is not taking the risk because of some silly non competes with a company that no longer exists. Learn some Buddhism and some Tiberian phylosophy: it gives a very interesting and different outlook at life. Learn how pilot an airplane: like I said, there is nothing to lose.

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