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Remember what he did? Software was specifically listed under export controls. So, he printed the code in a book to be OCR’d and further compiled into the software. No export controls on a book.
That was the theory, but I don't recall courts ever actually ruling on this. There was also the RSA t-shirt. The originals are no longer being sold, unfortunately, but these days it's easy enough to do a custom design for your own made to order. My take: https://www.customink.com/ndx/?cid=jxu0-00bx-9p0k
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#212Bernstein's case established that he had a First Amendment right to publish source code under the law in effect at the time; he argued, successfully, that this was the form in which his research was communicated to other researchers. He won his case, but it took many years, and of course court cases are political processes; they may be decided differently when different judges have been appointed to the bench. It see…
> court cases are political processes; they may be decided differently when different judges have been appointed to the bench This should not be true though, that's the point of having the law being a separate power.
You might be reading too much into the word “political.” It’s legitimate for different judges to have different judicial opinions; that’s why appeals are often decided by a panel of judges.
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#213These dummies never learn, do they?
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#214Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't understand why you mention ETFs. If Google said it was meaningless that they were in a total market index fund with almost every other public company, then they would be right. But whether they were or weren't they could do business with somebody just the same. Did you think that companies can't interact if they're not subsidiaries of the same organization? Not only can they do whatever they want bilaterally,…
Oblig. disclaimer, IANAL and not a financial advisor either. > Did you think that companies can't interact if they're not subsidiaries of the same organization? Of course not :) I however wonder if defending anti-trust from a subsidiary strategy would work — at least in France, I'm pretty sure taking half your execs and hiring them in a subsidiary which you control will NOT get you past anti-trust regulation. You mig…
I don't have any expertise in either area, I was just trying to say that "X owns Y" "Y owns X".
And it seems common for A, B, C, ... to jointly govern Z, without antitrust problems, like (first thing I could find) the W3C.
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> Oracle java still have it: you must download strong crypto package separatly Not true since java 8u161, and similarly for 7 and 6. And not true for every java > 8. https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jce... http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/8u161-relnotes...
True, though this update occurred only relatively recently, in 2016.
I've worked with OpenJDK 7 and had to install the strong crypto package for use with Tomcat...
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#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
> court cases are political processes; they may be decided differently when different judges have been appointed to the bench This should not be true though, that's the point of having the law being a separate power.
You might be reading too much into the word “political.” It’s legitimate for different judges to have different judicial opinions; that’s why appeals are often decided by a panel of judges.
Also many judges are elected, and in the US those who aren't elected are appointed by elected officials, and even in undemocratic countries, rulers consider the opinion of the public when they make judicial appointments. Moreover, most judges must apply statute law, which is politically enacted.
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#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
That was the theory, but I don't recall courts ever actually ruling on this. There was also the RSA t-shirt. The originals are no longer being sold, unfortunately, but these days it's easy enough to do a custom design for your own made to order. My take: https://www.customink.com/ndx/?cid=jxu0-00bx-9p0k
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States
Thank you, my memory was hazy on this. So there was a court case, but it sounds like it was ultimately undecided, since the original opinion (that it constitutes protected speech) was withdrawn?
> The Ninth Circuit ordered that this case be reheard by the en banc court, and withdrew the three-judge panel opinion ... almost nine years after Bernstein first brought the case, the judge dismissed it and asked Bernstein to come back when the government made a "concrete threat"
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True, though this update occurred only relatively recently, in 2016.
I've worked with OpenJDK 7 and had to install the strong crypto package for use with Tomcat...
It depends on update version.
Since 8u161, 7u171, and 6u16 you don't need to do that.
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#219This assumes the US is ahead of China in image recognition. Is there any justification for that?
Anecdotally even number and quality of publications/papers by Chinese in English outperform the entire English speaking region. They probably publish a lot more in their native scripts.
Most of the time whatever interesting thing (posted to HN) originated in some Chinese startup/university.
But that's just my gut feel.