Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018) • Hacker News Board

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by umvi » Sun, Jan 05, 2020, 2:46 AM UTC

fersho311 wrote: post #305

freediver wrote: post #286

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How did you start the coding bootcamp at public library? Can you give more details, structure etc

Step 1: Pick a few libraries, find the want you want to plant roots in. Make sure they let you talk and they have wifi. Talk to the librarian about your plans. Step 2: Pick a curriculum to follow. Many other bootcamps have their curriculum online. I have my own that I built over the past 10 years of teaching and making sure every single student I taught got a job. You can use it too if you want: c0d3.com/book Step 3:…

How young are your students? Or rather, how young are your youngest students?

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by jeegsy » Sun, Jan 05, 2020, 2:46 AM UTC

Strictly speaking 103 to 17 referrals is a heck of an improvement but to still have 17 referrals is a head shaker.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by humanrebar » Sun, Jan 05, 2020, 2:51 AM UTC

pm90 wrote: post #16

brenden2 wrote: post #5

Probably applies to all children, not just those with specific genetic attributes.

True in principle, but the difference is that the children with certain genetic attributes tend to get this kind of support while others don't.

There are plenty of boys stuck in intergenerational poverty and dysfunction all across the spectrum of genetic attributes. You can't tell a neglected boy that statistically he is well nurtured and has good role models.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by underpand » Sun, Jan 05, 2020, 2:53 AM UTC

kilroy_jones wrote: post #304

crimsonalucard wrote: post #195

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I wonder why a lot of asians have this racial inferiority complex. I (being asian myself) grew up in an affluent asian dominated neighborhood of Cupertino. I had black, white and asian friends growing up and I never thought too much of racial issues. Maybe because in my schools asian americans were largely the majority. Again, I had the same experience going to school at UCLA which was largely populated mostly by asi…

Asians dating white people may come less from seeing other Asians as inferior, but from a desire to escape their own cultural trappings. Depending on how conservative (traditional) the family is, many Asian women I know prefer dating non-Asian men because it doesn't come with the same expectations from their family. They can escape the make babies, make money, deal with a mother-in-law pressures, which may be much hi…

That comes with trade-offs.

1. Having a spouse who does not have the cultural knowledge, similar interests, empathy or language skills to communicate with your family is an issue. Her choice to date a white man is in a sense a rejection of her own family.

2. She herself may not have the same experiences, mindsets and interests to be able to really connect with her spouse if the relationship is driven by her attempt to run away from the expectations of her family.

3. A white man and his family/friends have a higher chance of being racist and insensitive to race issues. Weirdly enough, it doesn't seem like racist beliefs and white supremacy preclude white men from dating Asian women or Asian women from reciprocating interest: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/06/opinion/sunday/alt-right-...

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by bsanr2 » Sun, Jan 05, 2020, 3:03 AM UTC

trentnix wrote: post #217

bsanr2 wrote: post #209

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You could answer this question: >Is it easier or harder to fight discrimination in, say, employment when, "We don't hire negroes," is stated upfront, compared to when black applicants are denied for "cultural fit" reasons? And expound upon this assertion: >something else is clearly doing the lion's share of destruction.

>You could answer this question: >>Is it easier or harder to fight discrimination in, say, employment when, "We don't hire negroes," is stated upfront, compared to when black applicants are denied for "cultural fit" reasons? You are begging the question. Of course it's easier to fight enemies who are out in the open, distinct, and widespread. And it's harder to fight enemies that are well-camouflaged. But it's also h…

>Of course it's easier to fight enemies who are out in the open, distinct, and widespread. And it's harder to fight enemies that are well-camouflaged.

Thank you for answering the question.

>I take issue with your insinuation, as I tried to illustrate in my anecdote, that discrimination where black applicants are denied for "cultural fit" reasons, is widespread.

On what basis? I recognize your anecdote, and its anecdotal nature. I'd like you to look beyond your personal experience and justify your opinion with something verifiable.

>If one concludes that discrimination isn't as prevalent as it was decades ago and has diminished as time has passed while also noticing that its attributed consequences are more prevalent, then it's reasonable to assume something else is to blame

As this conclusion seems premature, it would be helpful to suggest what else there is to blame.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by toasterlovin » Sun, Jan 05, 2020, 3:06 AM UTC

cmdshiftf4 wrote: post #198

esotericn wrote: post #121

Though I imagine the prevalence is much higher in black youth, this is a general issue that goes beyond race. A stable upbringing with a family that you can use as role models. If you don't have that, you're in for an uphill struggle. If everyone around you is unemployed, or works in part time unskilled labour - if you're moving from home to home all of the time - if you have no bedroom - if your family argues, or yo…

>Though I imagine the prevalence is much higher in black youth, this is a general issue that goes beyond race. It certainly does. I'm having trouble digging up primary sources I've read on this before (there's a ton of secondary by searching "Consequences of fatherless childhoods", "consequences of single-parent households" and similar on DuckDuckGo), but studies are showing that children being brought up in single-p…

FWIW, historically most researchers have not adequately dealt with genetic confounding. That is, people who grow up in single parent households experience the environment that their parents create for them (which is what everyone focuses on), but they also share their parents genes. And, if there is a significant genetic component that leads parents to create dysfunctional environments for their children, their children are likely to possess the same genes.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by fersho311 » Sun, Jan 05, 2020, 3:06 AM UTC

japhyr wrote: post #302

freediver wrote: post #286

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How did you start the coding bootcamp at public library? Can you give more details, structure etc

I think you are trying to reply to the person I was replying to.

Yeah he was. Sorry I wasn’t paying attention when I responded, should have put into a separate thread

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by pm90 » Sun, Jan 05, 2020, 3:11 AM UTC

humanrebar wrote: post #313

pm90 wrote: post #16

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True in principle, but the difference is that the children with certain genetic attributes tend to get this kind of support while others don't.

There are plenty of boys stuck in intergenerational poverty and dysfunction all across the spectrum of genetic attributes. You can't tell a neglected boy that statistically he is well nurtured and has good role models.

> You can't tell a neglected boy that statistically he is well nurtured and has good role models.

Nobody will. Literally nobody said that.

When talking about assistance programs to the needy, we consider statistical data in order to target the most needy. So eg the result is providing funding for these programs in minority heavy schools.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by fersho311 » Sun, Jan 05, 2020, 3:13 AM UTC

tchaffee wrote: post #182

fersho311 wrote: post #106

About me: I'm asian, 32 years old. Throughout my childhood, I always thought Black people seemed so cool and funny. They exude confidence and it intimidated my to make friends with them. Now I teach people coding before and after my work as a full time software engineer. A few of my students are black. I had a hard time working with them. Later, as I became friends with them, I realized they are very self conscious a…

I don't have an answer, and I'm curious to hear ideas. I wonder if a "stupidest question" contest could be a good ice breaker? First question of the day earns some privilege for the rest of the class?

What japhyr said above is a small change but very profound. Asking “what question do you have” instead of “do you have any questions” is a big deal.

“Stupidest” or “first question” gamification haven’t given me much success, I suspect is because it comes off a little insincere.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by toasterlovin » Sun, Jan 05, 2020, 3:14 AM UTC

sangnoir wrote: post #284

mensetmanusman wrote: post #259

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A sister-in-law who is South African shared that American culture has so influenced that country that some of her classmates in high school referred to themselves at African American because they believed it to be more politically correct than saying black.

I suspect someone played a practical joke on your sister-in-law. As an example of how American culture has not influenced South Africa: "Coloured"[1] is legitimate racial category in South Africa which is can be freely mentioned in polite company and even on government forms. Incidentally, it refers to a non-black demography (and most black people do call themselves black). I believe the term "Colored" has fallen out…

FWIW, I believe the term ‘Coloured’ in the South African context refers to a specific ethnic group that came about by mixing between white and native Africans. Which is different than the (now dated) term ‘Colored’ in the American context, which referred simply to people with African ancestry. So, if my understanding is correct, a South African Coloured is different from a Black South African. But in the US, both ‘black’ and ‘colored’ refer to the same people.