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Re: Ask HN: Are books worth it?

#221
I think you are confusing information gathering with understanding. To give you a practical example: consider the book “How to draw portraits in charcoal” by Nathan Fawkes (great book btw). You can find all the main points of the book online condensed in bullet point lists. In fact here are the main three: get to know the 3d shape you want to draw and learn to project a simplified version on paper; simplify, group and design areas of dark and areas of light; keep the values in the areas of light separate in value space from those of the areas of dark (the value distribution should be roughly two peaks that don’t touch).

So how much better are you at drawing portraits in charcoal after reading the list? Not much. What matters is putting the principles in practice.

Good books design an experience to help you do that. They should be treated as bibles to look at for guidance, knowing that another human being that already acquired the skill has done his best to provide a good map to speed up your development.

Re: Ask HN: Are books worth it?

#222
I would say fiction is really worth it.

You can learn so much by reading classical fictional work (Tolstoï, Flaubert, or whatever) about humanity.

As we say, a reader lives a thousand lives.

Re: Ask HN: Are books worth it?

#223
For me there is nothing like reading a good story. And good stories are timeless. On the contrary, tech, money, billionaire's thoughts... they age fast.

So lately i'm wondering, is HN worth it?

Re: Ask HN: Are books worth it?

#224

I despise reading analog books. Just sitting down calmly and committing time to read pages and pages is not my thing. And I don't like fiction. I had a similar mindset to you, had bookmarked tens of self improvement books for the areas in life I struggled with, also books for entrepreneurship etc. But I assumed most of what they contain would surface in online conversations etc. I hate wasting time, so last year I ga…

> I hate wasting time, so last year I gave audio books a try Interesting. I have exactly the opposite reaction to audio books. I hate wasting time, and audio books don't let you skim sections that aren't of much interest (essential if you want to read a lot of non-fiction IMO), and generally take massively longer. I can read a good deal quicker than people talk. I dunno, maybe 5x speed or something? Treating reading…

The big time advantage audiobooks have over the printed word is that can listen while doing something visual but relatively mindless (e.g., driving, cleaning, yard work, etc.).

Re: Ask HN: Are books worth it?

#225
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Yes. I have always loved books. I read about 30-40 a year, mostly fiction with a few non-fiction thrown in. Novels are the closest thing I know to a form of magic. A good author can completely encode an entire world full of people on 300 pages of black and white text. And when they do it well, it literally never expires. I read mostly books from the last 50 years but I think the best example of a book as magic is Don…

> Novels are the closest thing I know to a form of magic.

Simply; this.

Re: Ask HN: Are books worth it?

#226
Definitely: yes. I try often to research something I remember I have read online. I am almost always disappointed. I think it is not even because it does not exist online, but it is just so hard to find through google.

Re: Ask HN: Are books worth it?

#227

Not all books are good. Your learning comes from the experiences of your life. Reading a good book is like learning someone else’s life. ...That’s why a truly great fiction book may be worth 100x a truly great non-fiction book.

I agree with your first few points, but I've never encountered a fiction book that I thought was greater than the best non-fiction. Surely, opinions differ but can you name a few (perhaps unusual) fiction books that make the 100x mark? I'm open to being convinced.

Not the OP, but I can name a few.

I found Anna Karenina, or Crime and Punishment 100x better than all non-fiction books I ever read.

Re: Ask HN: Are books worth it?

#228
Most of what you're talking about is non-fiction "answers". Long form writing isn't particularly conducive to reading online (mostly meaning the web/HTML pages), but obviously you could do so via a PDF of a book. However, you're completely missing out on long-form fiction if you don't read "books". I'd recommend you read this recent article about binge reading [1], as it concisely captures what you're likely missing out on: the engrossing nature of a multihour in-depth read.

I now do most of my reading electronically (in my case via the Kindle iOS and Android apps, but I'm about to get a Kindle Oasis, because it's finally good enough), so don't restrict yourself to reading physical books. If you happen to have an Amazon Prime account, you can read plenty of books for free via Kindle. So you can also do this as a "no risk" experiment.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/04/opinion/sunday/why-you-sh...

Re: Ask HN: Are books worth it?

#229
I think you're viewing books and online content as entirely equivalent media forms; which would be much the same as treating movies and theater as equivalent content - they're adjacent, and provide similar material, but don't meet the same ends and their method of consumption are wildly different.

True, long form reading is also a skill that can be built up, and that skill even varies from topic to topic. Anybody that's done any academic reading (a.k.a. reading through dense academic journals and papers) will tell you it's a learned skill that is vastly different from either non-fiction or fiction reading. I can easily pound my way through a 1000 page book from Neal Stephenson in a few nights, but I need weeks to dig into a single paper in Category Theory, Non-linear Systems, or Control Theory; and it's because reading those academically isn't a skill I've built up yet.

And while it's true that much of the synopsis information on a topic can be found online, and you can get the details on Grapes of Wrath from piles of YouTube'ers and CliffsNotes; there is detail and meaning that you may take away from that book that you wouldn't find in those short reviews (they're great for school reports in a pinch, but not great for actual contextualization). So, in all, it also depends on what you're reading for.

And that brings me to my last and probably most important point, "What you're reading for." I read something like Stephen King for enjoyment, plain and simple, there isn't some meaning of life that will probably be gleaned from it. I have a friend that reads piles of "bodice rippers" for enjoyment, they read a lot of other things, but that's their junk food reading. I read various pop-science or pop-psychology or pop-history type books for a mix of enjoyment and seeing if I want to dig deeper on the subjects they're covering; and they can be better (and sometimes way worse) at conveying interesting points on a topic than a quick few articles online. I read academic journals to further my education and keep up with new things coming out in my fields of interest. And like most of us, of course I plow through online content, news, the Twittersphere, and bloggers I follow for many of these same reasons.

So it's honestly up to, and on you, for the reason you read books (or don't). Reading of any kind is a learned skill, and can atrophy in the same way your muscles will when you stop going to the gym - so if you want to read books, go for it; if you don't don't; but just like going to the gym, don't let the first few weeks/months/years/decades/lifetimes of soreness stop you from the goal you're interested in.

Re: Ask HN: Are books worth it?

#230
a lot of good comments here and I'd like to add some book suggestions here. You could start with some high-quality classics such as Meditations by Marcus Aurelius or other philosophy books such as from Epictetus or Seneca and see for yourself how much wisdom you can get out of these books.
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