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Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by wayoutthere »

whb07 wrote: post #138
wayoutthere wrote: post #48

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There are many, many reasons why this is the case; but they were almost all a product of racist social engineering in the 20th century. And when I say racist, I mean people whose main argument was the genetic inferiority of black people. Progressives consistently caved to their demands under threat of violence. Showing up is hard to do when housing policy explicitly forbids black people from living within a 2 hour co…

And of course the engineering of the powerful Jews and Asians so that they now represent the upper tiers of the income distribution. /s Employment and family stats were vastly better pre 1960s government regulations. This isn’t some grand evil plan but the standard outcomes of a “we need more government help”, also known as “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”.

I'm going to assume the /s is to be able to spout racist crap and still claim the veneer of irony. "It was just a joke!" is not a valid defense for saying racist things.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by bsanr2 »

zchrykng wrote: post #115
wjn0 wrote: post #73

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> higher crime rates Source? Everything I've read suggests that crime rates are pretty much the same across race and ethnicity when controlling for economic status. The primary variable is contact with the justice system, i.e. getting caught.

Everything I've read also indicates that it is mostly or entirely driven by economic status. White people who grow up poor and/or with single mothers are also highly likely to end up in prison compared to the normal population. This isn't about ethnicity, it is about economics and culture. It only disproportionately affects black people because of historical trends and welfare programs decades back that encouraged si…

>White people who grow up poor and/or with single mothers are also highly likely to end up in prison compared to the normal population.

They are, however, much less likely to be arrested, convicted, and sentenced to lengthy terms than similarly-situated black people. To be treated like a black person in the justice system, a white person must be some combination of much poorer, much less educated, and with a much longer criminal history. It is about race and ethnicity.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Meekro wrote: post #158
Infinitesimus wrote: post #97

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Check out https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/the-shocking-and-sickening-st... if you're curious. The money quote: > "You want to know what this was really all about?” he asked with the bluntness of a man who, after public disgrace and a stretch in federal prison, had little left to protect. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understan…

The origins of that quote are dubious. Author Dan Baum claims that Nixon lawyer John Ehrlichman made this confession to him back in 1994, but Dan waited until 2016 to publish it-- long enough that most people in Nixon's inner circle (including Ehrlichman himself) have died and couldn't set the record straight. However, Pat Buchanan (long time adviser to Nixon) said in an interview that the quote is nonsense.

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Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by chepaslaaa »

wolco wrote: post #80
haecceity wrote: post #64

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What was the justification for this rule? It almost seems intentionally malicious.

It sounds progressive at the time. Men worked, if one wasn't part of the home then women needed more support.

poor women worked for decades prior to 1968

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by rootusrootus »

drno123 wrote: post #118
TimTheTinker wrote: post #21

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Very insightful. It becomes a vicious cycle when fathers aren’t even able to show up because they’re behind bars.

I am not sure that numbers add up to support this claim. In Oklahoma, which has the highest percentage of black people incarcerated, there is approx 2.5% of the total black population imprisoned, while over 60% of black children are raised without fathers.

Need more information. E.g. 2.5% of the total black population, but what fraction of the black father population? How many kids, on average, does each black father have?

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by wavefunction »

zchrykng wrote: post #160
wavefunction wrote: post #66

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Where in the logic loop are we?

Mostly the place where everything sucks. It is a nasty self reinforcing problem. See some of my other responses for more context. Wasn't trying to imply that black people are natural disposed to committing more crimes, just that currently they do, from a combination of economic and social reasons.

I was making an admittedly content-free "wry comment." I agree with you completely!

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by wayoutthere »

ausjke wrote: post #108

Black community does not have a solid culture and tradition comparing to other immigration minority groups, as other minority groups can succeed in USA without much troubles. I thought about adopting a black boy for a while, I may still do that, I want to help, but don't know how to do it, the gap is just too wide to connect for me somehow.

> Black community does not have a solid culture and tradition comparing to other immigration minority groups

lol, I stopped reading here. Go read some du Bois and listen to some Jazz. Black culture is American culture. They've been here longer than most whites (the great European migration happened right around the time the slave trade ended and that's not coincidental).

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by Strang »

bsanr2 wrote: post #169

As much as HN's readers need to see articles like this, I don't know if the sophistication levels on this topic are high enough to handle the discussion that's ensued. "Or, you know, fathers," is a... disappointing take, to say the least.

What did you find disappointing about the comment? Why not reply to it?
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