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The Western Canon by Harold Bloom (2011)

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Re: The Western Canon by Harold Bloom (2011)

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Bloom is one of my least favorite literary critics. I find his writing to be snobbish, presumptuous, and self-assured. It makes for a quite frustrating read. There's plenty of writers in the field that manage to do just as much of an effective, if not better, job without constantly sounding self-righteous. James Wood, for example, is also a popular literary critic (his books likewise find their way beyond the academic gates) that makes for far more pleasant reading.

To give an example: it's been some time since I've read it, but while I remember the general theory proposed in The Anxiety of Influence sounding reasonable enough, I found the overall tone of the work far too arrogant. I suppose it was somewhat of a polemic at the time, which maybe excuses the tone some, but still--I've never read Bloom and not felt that, had I met him in person, he'd annoy me to no end and he wouldn't be tons of fun to be around.

Re: The Western Canon by Harold Bloom (2011)

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post #33

"English Canon" would be more precise. For example he specifically mentions the King James version of the Bible (rather than just "The Bible" in general). This translation had a large influence on the English language - just as say the translation by Martin Luther had on the German language. For the non-English works, it is clear he has selected the ones which are known and influential in the English-speaking world,…

Do you think the Martin Luther translation had a more significant impact on the Western Canon than the King James version? Also presumably the list’s biggest value is in allowing someone to go and read all these works to get a better understanding of the Canon. Would you suggest people read both versions? (presumably further translated to their own language)

You do have a good point, but I think it’s more against the notion of the Canon than this list.

Re: The Western Canon by Harold Bloom (2011)

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post #42
post #33

"English Canon" would be more precise. For example he specifically mentions the King James version of the Bible (rather than just "The Bible" in general). This translation had a large influence on the English language - just as say the translation by Martin Luther had on the German language. For the non-English works, it is clear he has selected the ones which are known and influential in the English-speaking world,…

Do you think the Martin Luther translation had a more significant impact on the Western Canon than the King James version? Also presumably the list’s biggest value is in allowing someone to go and read all these works to get a better understanding of the Canon. Would you suggest people read both versions? (presumably further translated to their own language) You do have a good point, but I think it’s more against the…

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Re: The Western Canon by Harold Bloom (2011)

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post #42
post #33

"English Canon" would be more precise. For example he specifically mentions the King James version of the Bible (rather than just "The Bible" in general). This translation had a large influence on the English language - just as say the translation by Martin Luther had on the German language. For the non-English works, it is clear he has selected the ones which are known and influential in the English-speaking world,…

Do you think the Martin Luther translation had a more significant impact on the Western Canon than the King James version? Also presumably the list’s biggest value is in allowing someone to go and read all these works to get a better understanding of the Canon. Would you suggest people read both versions? (presumably further translated to their own language) You do have a good point, but I think it’s more against the…

The most important translation of the Bible for "Western" society is probably the Vulgate. The most important for English speaking society is probably the King James though the ubiquity of the NIV today may be giving it a run for its money.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulgate

Re: The Western Canon by Harold Bloom (2011)

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post #42
post #33

"English Canon" would be more precise. For example he specifically mentions the King James version of the Bible (rather than just "The Bible" in general). This translation had a large influence on the English language - just as say the translation by Martin Luther had on the German language. For the non-English works, it is clear he has selected the ones which are known and influential in the English-speaking world,…

Do you think the Martin Luther translation had a more significant impact on the Western Canon than the King James version? Also presumably the list’s biggest value is in allowing someone to go and read all these works to get a better understanding of the Canon. Would you suggest people read both versions? (presumably further translated to their own language) You do have a good point, but I think it’s more against the…

The Martin Luther translation obviously had a more significant impact on western culture on the whole, but the King James translation had an important influence on the English language and therefore it is fair to include it in a canon over English literature.

Re: The Western Canon by Harold Bloom (2011)

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post #28

The idea of a canon might be controversial, but you really can’t go wrong with anything on the list. Although the lack of Marx is questionable considering his immense influence.

Marx is absolutely canon, one of the most important writers in history. I'm not sure how anyone can claim to understand the western tradition without Marx.

It doesn't have Darwin or Newton either. It is a list of literature, not overall influential works.

Re: The Western Canon by Harold Bloom (2011)

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post #25

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB963270836801555352 http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/... Basically a professional snob.

It's unwise to base your assessment of him on a single article. (Edit: I wrongly assumed the two links were to the same article, one archived).

It's not unreasonable for a literary critic to view the bestowal of literary awards on commercial writers with distaste.

Those writers have more fame and wealth than they will ever need; it's fair enough to query why acclaim, publicity and awards - that would benefit less populist authors far more - has been directed in this way.

Re: The Western Canon by Harold Bloom (2011)

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post #25

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB963270836801555352 http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/... Basically a professional snob.

It's unwise to base your assessment of him on a single article. (Edit: I wrongly assumed the two links were to the same article, one archived). It's not unreasonable for a literary critic to view the bestowal of literary awards on commercial writers with distaste. Those writers have more fame and wealth than they will ever need; it's fair enough to query why acclaim, publicity and awards - that would benefit less pop…

I had two links, from years apart, in which he denigrated two authors.

He's making a different argument than you. He's not saying King shouldn't have gotten the prize because others would have deserved it more, he's saying he shouldn't have gotten it because he's trash.

Re: The Western Canon by Harold Bloom (2011)

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unwise to base your assessment of him on a single article. (Edit: I wrongly assumed the two links were to the same article, one archived). It's not unreasonable for a literary critic to view the bestowal of literary awards on commercial writers with distaste. Those writers have more fame and wealth than they will ever need; it's fair enough to query why acclaim, publicity and awards - that would benefit less pop…

I had two links, from years apart, in which he denigrated two authors. He's making a different argument than you. He's not saying King shouldn't have gotten the prize because others would have deserved it more, he's saying he shouldn't have gotten it because he's trash.

Sorry - I saw the archive prefix, and assumed an alternative for the same article.

Yes, in the article I read (the second), his tone is provocative at best, and reflects a personality defect at worst, but I think he is saying the same thing - the award was inappropriately awarded, and he has a point.

I don't think your original assessment of him is fair.

Re: The Western Canon by Harold Bloom (2011)

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unwise to base your assessment of him on a single article. (Edit: I wrongly assumed the two links were to the same article, one archived). It's not unreasonable for a literary critic to view the bestowal of literary awards on commercial writers with distaste. Those writers have more fame and wealth than they will ever need; it's fair enough to query why acclaim, publicity and awards - that would benefit less pop…

I had two links, from years apart, in which he denigrated two authors. He's making a different argument than you. He's not saying King shouldn't have gotten the prize because others would have deserved it more, he's saying he shouldn't have gotten it because he's trash.

Literary-minded folks often don't understand what might make 'genre' literature compelling, intellectually worthwhile etc., that's why they're sometimes inclined to regard it uniformly as trash. The reverse also happens, of course. I'm not saying that pure snobbishness does not play a role, but there's also a real divide in aesthetic outlook behind these attitudes.
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