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The Western Canon by Harold Bloom (2011)

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Re: The Western Canon by Harold Bloom (2011)

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A similar category that has inspired my reading and language learning for about a decade now is Alexander Arguelles "Great Books" list [0]. Arguelles is a hyperpolyglot, he can read, speak and write dozens of languages. He advocates for polyliteracy, the concurrent study of languages and their associated literary canons. [0] http://foreignlanguageexpertise.com/great_books.html

His biography is really fascinating and inspiring too: http://foreignlanguageexpertise.com/about.html

Re: The Western Canon by Harold Bloom (2011)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't imagine anyone being anywhere close to an expert (meaning, highly familiar with the relevant scholarship) on more than a tiny fraction of this list - and do note that whole areas of world lit (East Asia, etc.) are entirely missing from the list, because they're so hard to even characterize in a useful way. Perhaps this is what illustrates the very real failure of this whole "canon" concept more than anything…

Well it is called “The Western Canon” and this is right at the top of the page: “I have included some Sanskrit works, scriptures and fundamental literary texts, because of their influence on the Western canon. The immense wealth of ancient Chinese literature is mostly a sphere apart from Western literary tradition and is rarely conveyed adequately in the translations available to us." If you’re looking for an Eastern…

> ... because of their influence on the Western canon. The immense wealth of ancient Chinese literature is mostly a sphere apart ...

That's quite debatable though, it seems clear to me that the West did pay quite a bit of attention to Chinese culture, starting in the 18th c. or so. The inadequacy of relying on translations may be closer to the mark, but then again that's just another way that this literature turns out to be especially challenging.

Re: The Western Canon by Harold Bloom (2011)

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I can't imagine anyone having read everything in this list. It would take more than a lifetime for me at my reading speed.

Bloom was famous for his reading speed and memory: 400 pages an hour for simpler material, and could recite most of Shakespeare's works word by word. For us mortals the canon is meant to take a lifetime to read.

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If I'm overly simplistic, this seems to be 1/3 of an English degree. The remaining 2/3s being linguistics and history with cultural studies of the times. I'm still undecided how much I'd recommend someone else studying English (full time, as their only major). I enjoyed the studies though!

In most of the English speaking world a degree in English would include no linguistics[1] and courses in historical literature would not be offered in the History department nor would the History department accept them for credit. Look at the Oxford curriculum. All literature. https://www.balliol.ox.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate-admiss... [1] Unless you think studying only English grammar, morphology, syntax etc. qu…

I dunno, I was required to take an introductory linguistics course for my Spanish degree and I assume that applies to English as well.

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If I'm overly simplistic, this seems to be 1/3 of an English degree. The remaining 2/3s being linguistics and history with cultural studies of the times. I'm still undecided how much I'd recommend someone else studying English (full time, as their only major). I enjoyed the studies though!

In most of the English speaking world a degree in English would include no linguistics[1] and courses in historical literature would not be offered in the History department nor would the History department accept them for credit. Look at the Oxford curriculum. All literature. https://www.balliol.ox.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate-admiss... [1] Unless you think studying only English grammar, morphology, syntax etc. qu…

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Re: The Western Canon by Harold Bloom (2011)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original post links to the list, the one he is disavowing. That's the context, that specific list.

Your comment is misleading because it doesn’t mention that Bloom spent virtually his entire career defending the value of classic literature. The fact that he had minor criticisms of his list and didn’t want to talk about it doesn’t mean that he disavowed it and that isn’t what the word disavowed means. Disavowed suggests that he is dismissive of the contents of the list entirely, which again, could not be further fr…

As I understand it, he was opposed to the idea of composing a list like that, i.e. a definitive list of what the canon is and what you should read. There's no contradiction with such a disavowal and defending the canon as such. Obviously there are some works that are core to the canon, that I'm sure he would urge everyone to read, such as the works he mainly discusses in the book (Shakespeare, Dante, Chaucer, Goethe, the Bible, etc). That doesn't mean that he has to be a proponent of compiling them into a neat list.

Re: The Western Canon by Harold Bloom (2011)

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If I'm overly simplistic, this seems to be 1/3 of an English degree. The remaining 2/3s being linguistics and history with cultural studies of the times. I'm still undecided how much I'd recommend someone else studying English (full time, as their only major). I enjoyed the studies though!

In most of the English speaking world a degree in English would include no linguistics[1] and courses in historical literature would not be offered in the History department nor would the History department accept them for credit. Look at the Oxford curriculum. All literature. https://www.balliol.ox.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate-admiss... [1] Unless you think studying only English grammar, morphology, syntax etc. qu…

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Re: The Western Canon by Harold Bloom (2011)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Disavowed” is a misleading word to use. He had criticisms of his list, but what the quote doesn’t mention is that Bloom was involved in a decades-long battle on the value of the idea of a canon. I think he was just tired of talking about it with people that hadn’t read the book in the first place.

Seems like a clear disavowal of the list itself, although not of the concept of a canon altogether.

Bloom was one of the greatest proponents of the concept of the canon as such, but it is not my impression that he thought of it as some neat shopping list.
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