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Climate change now detectable from any single day of weather at global scale

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People's financial incentives are not aligned with the climate's necessary modifications. The two won't be aligned until climate passes over its tipping point and enters an irreversible feedback loop.

Currency can be printed electronically these days. Beings can't eat currency or shelter in currency.

xkcd climate timeline:

https://xkcd.com/1732/

I know there's a huge difference in data resolution, but worth pondering about nonetheless.

Re: Climate change now detectable from any single day of weather at global scale

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People's financial incentives are not aligned with the climate's necessary modifications. The two won't be aligned until climate passes over its tipping point and enters an irreversible feedback loop.

Currency can be printed electronically these days. Beings can't eat currency or shelter in currency. xkcd climate timeline: https://xkcd.com/1732/ I know there's a huge difference in data resolution, but worth pondering about nonetheless.

"When the last tree has been cut down, the last fish caught, the last river poisoned, only then will we realize that one cannot eat money."

-- popular quote of unclear but probably native American origin in the 70s: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/10/20/last-tree-cut/

Re: Climate change now detectable from any single day of weather at global scale

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Living in Eastern Europe right now. It's +6 Celsius for the last week. Earth hasn't frozen yet, so if any snow falls it melts in a few hours.

In comparison, when I was growing up here in the 90s; we had solid -30 Celsius winters for several months.

You had to prepare opposed to nowadays, where buying a winter jacket comes down to preference. Cold or not cold...

But climate change is a hoax, right?

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Living in Eastern Europe right now. It's +6 Celsius for the last week. Earth hasn't frozen yet, so if any snow falls it melts in a few hours. In comparison, when I was growing up here in the 90s; we had solid -30 Celsius winters for several months. You had to prepare opposed to nowadays, where buying a winter jacket comes down to preference. Cold or not cold... But climate change is a hoax, right?

I mean I live in Eastern Europe too, Hungary and it's -7c now. No snow but everything is frozen. I don't think our local experiences are a good indicator.

>we had solid -30 Celsius winters for several months

I'm curious, do you have any data source about that? -30c for several months sounds really extreme

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Living in Eastern Europe right now. It's +6 Celsius for the last week. Earth hasn't frozen yet, so if any snow falls it melts in a few hours. In comparison, when I was growing up here in the 90s; we had solid -30 Celsius winters for several months. You had to prepare opposed to nowadays, where buying a winter jacket comes down to preference. Cold or not cold... But climate change is a hoax, right?

I mean I live in Eastern Europe too, Hungary and it's -7c now. No snow but everything is frozen. I don't think our local experiences are a good indicator. >we had solid -30 Celsius winters for several months I'm curious, do you have any data source about that? -30c for several months sounds really extreme

Why would you ask me for data when you can look that up for yourself?

I speak from experience.

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People's financial incentives are not aligned with the climate's necessary modifications. The two won't be aligned until climate passes over its tipping point and enters an irreversible feedback loop.

When will incentives ever be aligned with one's own long term interests?

There is reason for despair, that competition to survive the day to day - everyone needs to get through their week, month and year - will always detract from the larger concerns about long term sustainability of our civilization and prosperity.

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Living in Eastern Europe right now. It's +6 Celsius for the last week. Earth hasn't frozen yet, so if any snow falls it melts in a few hours. In comparison, when I was growing up here in the 90s; we had solid -30 Celsius winters for several months. You had to prepare opposed to nowadays, where buying a winter jacket comes down to preference. Cold or not cold... But climate change is a hoax, right?

Weather still isn't climate and while the abstract states their model detect climate change within a very small time-frame (a day), it still requires global data to do so.

I'm sure the converse is true too and that models should be able to detect climate change locally within a large time-frame.

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