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Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

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#91

> In November 2015 60 emails and phone calls called for her to be expelled. The emails went to the dean of the law school, and to the head of the student body with links to the video. What kind of evil person does this? Is there anything these monsters can be prosecuted for? At least the people who made the movies had a motive in greed. The people who sent these emails wouldn't even gain anything. They are clearly no…

Can you be more specific on why you think the people who sent emails are "evil" and deserve to be judged? And I'm talking about moral aspect here, not legal.

> They are clearly nothing but malicious, bigoted and evil.

Try to look at it this way. Jane Doe lived in a society (family, coworkers, friends) where she was respected and was considered to be good, ethical and honourable person. At the same time she wanted to play in porn. Maybe because she was just curious, or being filmed during sex was her secret fantasy (you know, it can be a big turn-on to imagine other people watch your sex), or she wanted some quick money, or something else. The problem was that playing in porn was unacceptable in her society. We don't know why they thought so, maybe their perception of sex was different from hers and they didn't like people to to it publicly, or they also had this fantasy of playing in porn but never had courage to actually do it, or something else. Whatever were the reasons of the society and of Jane, I don't judge them.

So Jane encountered this dilemma. She wants to keep the respect she has in the society, and she wants to play in porn -- two wishes are incompatible. Jane is smart, and she decides to play in porn making sure the society never finds out. It looks like a win-win sutuation for her. I hope, she realizes that there's a risk of being caught at this point.

People who film the porn promise Jane not to publish the videos online. And they break their promise. This is obviously a "bad", "evil" and immoral thing to do. I think we all agree that not keeping our promises is immoral.

Someone encounters Jane's video online, and assumes that the society Jane lives in is very likely to consider this immoral, and Jane has probably played in the video secretly. And this person has the choice: to report Jane and act in the society's interest, or not report Jane and act in her interest.

I don't think we should be concerned here with only Jane's interests, people around also have their wishes and feelings. If she's a teacher, her students parents may not want a porn actor to teach their children, and that's their preference which, I think, we should respect too. Her parents may be traditionalists and they may want to know if their daughter is doing something that they consider immoral. Jane is not the only person who has feelings here. So why shouldn't the person email Jane's friends and parents and tell them that she's lying to them?

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You might notice that I'm writing this comment from an account I just created. When I did this I also had a choice similar to Jane's.

Most of the people around me now are strongly liberal. And when we discuss something related to women, sex and slut shaming, it's not very favorable to express anything except sorrow for women and judgement for anyone who caused them trouble. But I have many other thoughts on this subject (like the ones I expressed above about Jane), and I'm afraid my friends will not like this. So I did the same choice Jane did, I decided to do what I want secretly and anonymously.

And if somebody finds out my real name and decides to inform people I know about this terrible sexist pig they invite to parties and spend time with, I won't judge that person. They're just acting in other people's interests, not mine.

Re: Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

#92
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We discuss porn industry and porn site’s implementation and ux details at work, both men and women. It’s 2020. Do you know I breathe air and eat food?

Please don't talk about porn at work. Sincerely - anybody who has a shred of professionalism

Because? Seeing US/non-US comments I think that is your local quirk.

Nobody discusses porn video content and actors themselves, except “bald guy from brazzers” and other folklore. Otherwise it is the same technology, much better and advanced than e.g. youtube freezing crapware show. Idk why someone should not discuss that. Because if you know that it means you watch porn?

Re: Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

#93
post #75

was it hidden in the contract? just curious the extent of the lying.

Contracts can be spoken as well as written, and spoken things can also legally be considered part of the contract even when there is a written contract.

Very hard to prove, even in a civil case. Best to have things in written or some other form of legal recorded medium

Re: Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

#94

> In November 2015 60 emails and phone calls called for her to be expelled. The emails went to the dean of the law school, and to the head of the student body with links to the video. What kind of evil person does this? Is there anything these monsters can be prosecuted for? At least the people who made the movies had a motive in greed. The people who sent these emails wouldn't even gain anything. They are clearly no…

Can you be more specific on why you think the people who sent emails are "evil" and deserve to be judged? And I'm talking about moral aspect here, not legal. > They are clearly nothing but malicious, bigoted and evil. Try to look at it this way. Jane Doe lived in a society (family, coworkers, friends) where she was respected and was considered to be good, ethical and honourable person. At the same time she wanted to…

Traditionalists is a good one.

No worries folks! It's just tradition around these parts to petition a university to expel an adult because a video leaked onto the internet of them having sex. They knew the risks!

Re: Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

#95
post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you be more specific on why you think the people who sent emails are "evil" and deserve to be judged? And I'm talking about moral aspect here, not legal. > They are clearly nothing but malicious, bigoted and evil. Try to look at it this way. Jane Doe lived in a society (family, coworkers, friends) where she was respected and was considered to be good, ethical and honourable person. At the same time she wanted to…

Traditionalists is a good one. No worries folks! It's just tradition around these parts to petition a university to expel an adult because a video leaked onto the internet of them having sex. They knew the risks!

It's tradition indeed. Did the adult attend the college's mandatory sexual-assault prevention program before engaging in sexual activity? Were they in compliance with the college's affirmative consent policy? Were they having sex with someone who was under the influence and therefore presumptively unable to give 'affirmative' consent? Plenty of ground for lots and lots of petitions!

Re: Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

#96

This whole thing is idiotic. The lying producers are assholes. The women are idiots for trusting anything told to them in this context by complete strangers motivated only by money. In the words of Shakespeare, "all are punished". >“These are millennial women who grew up with the internet – they knew the consequences of pornographic videos ending up online which is why they asked where the videos were going before th…

I hope you don't have kids. 18 year olds do dumb things. They're legally adults but neurologically speaking that's questionable. My wife was still reeling from an abusive and sexually exploitative relationship and trying to survive when she was tricked into making porn under the guise of auditioning for an off-camera job. Glad to know you think she's an idiot. Class act there buddy.

There is a huge difference between a hidden cam and industrial-grade studio shooting. I don’t think gp meant or knew anything about your case. If it is dumb, subj is orders of magnitude dumber, to the extent that it seems simply unbelievable and suspicious. Also, you say “18 year olds do dumb things” and then shame gp for “thinking she's an idiot”. It seems you’re overreacting and taking it personal when it doesn’t even relate. We skeptics have a right of voice too.

Re: Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

#97
post #24

This is disgusting. I am sure you can find enough people in the world who would voluntarily do this without coercion. Getting people drunk in another city/state (?) and coercing them to do something else is rape territory, and I hope everyone involved faces criminal justice for that It's strange that the site is still up? I'm not visiting but, but how can there be civil and criminal charges and the site is still up..…

> Getting people drunk in another city/state (?) and coercing them to do something else is rape territory

The "other state" part would make it human trafficking too. Being transported to a different city might also be enough, it depends on how the laws are worded.

Re: Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

#98

> In November 2015 60 emails and phone calls called for her to be expelled. The emails went to the dean of the law school, and to the head of the student body with links to the video. What kind of evil person does this? Is there anything these monsters can be prosecuted for? At least the people who made the movies had a motive in greed. The people who sent these emails wouldn't even gain anything. They are clearly no…

They see something they disapprove of, it goes against their values. So they spread awareness of what happened.

Re: Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This does indeed come off as disrespectful. These videos weren’t “leaked”, they weren’t found on someone’s old phone. The people who shot the video LIED to the participants in order to coerce participation. They paid other people to lie to them as well in order to create a more complete deception. Then they posted the videos in exactly the way they said they would not do. They also provided drugs and alcohol to the p…

College aged women trusted porn producers? Wow, talk about lack of street smarts. Among people working different professions, how highly would you trust a porn company? These women made pornos. They had sex with a total stranger while a crew stood around and watched while filming them them, I mean just think about that. They actually thought, "oh well, only one person will ever see it"? This whole thing is a sad stor…

Horseshit.

I’d assume that any business, porn or not, is not fraudulently deceiving me about the nature of my transaction.

Re: Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

#100

> In November 2015 60 emails and phone calls called for her to be expelled. The emails went to the dean of the law school, and to the head of the student body with links to the video. What kind of evil person does this? Is there anything these monsters can be prosecuted for? At least the people who made the movies had a motive in greed. The people who sent these emails wouldn't even gain anything. They are clearly no…

Can you be more specific on why you think the people who sent emails are "evil" and deserve to be judged? And I'm talking about moral aspect here, not legal. > They are clearly nothing but malicious, bigoted and evil. Try to look at it this way. Jane Doe lived in a society (family, coworkers, friends) where she was respected and was considered to be good, ethical and honourable person. At the same time she wanted to…

"Can you be more specific on why you think the people who sent emails are "evil" and deserve to be judged" Sure. they did something to harm another person without any real benefit to society. I know you argue that "her students parents may not want a porn actor to teach their children" but of course there is no actual harm of a porn actor teaching children. Parents only object to the idea that a porn actor is teaching their children, which might never be known if the emails were not sent. What if you were a teacher and also liked to engage in S&M. Someone takes a picture of you through your bedroom window and sends it to your school. Do you think parents want some teacher with a weird kink teaching their kids? Would you feel ok about losing your job in such a situation?
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