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Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

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Re: Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

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Post by missosoup »

celticmusic wrote: post #48
erikpukinskis wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This does indeed come off as disrespectful. These videos weren’t “leaked”, they weren’t found on someone’s old phone. The people who shot the video LIED to the participants in order to coerce participation. They paid other people to lie to them as well in order to create a more complete deception. Then they posted the videos in exactly the way they said they would not do. They also provided drugs and alcohol to the p…

They have videos of these woman stating they weren't under the influence of anything and explicitly giving permission for the videos to be used in any way. I bet you there are plenty of women who walked away because they recognized the lie, either when asked to do that specific video or sooner. What the poster above you was attempting to do is possibly educate others about not being naive. That has real value that yo…

America has this weird thing where pointing out that the victim wasn't completely robbed of their agency and made some dumb decisions == victim blaming. Especially in incidents related to sex.

To recap, someone commented that there's a lesson to be re-iterated here about sharing videos, and someone else got offended by that. It's weird to imagine a society where people get offended when presented with instructions for how not to fall victim to the same situation in the future.

The victims aren't being blamed. The legal system worked as intended. But if you don't want porno videos of you showing up on the internet, don't share any. No amount of laws or enforcement will make those videos go away now. Even middle schoolers are taught this in sex-ed.

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Post by jariel »

ajmurmann wrote: post #53

> In November 2015 60 emails and phone calls called for her to be expelled. The emails went to the dean of the law school, and to the head of the student body with links to the video. What kind of evil person does this? Is there anything these monsters can be prosecuted for? At least the people who made the movies had a motive in greed. The people who sent these emails wouldn't even gain anything. They are clearly no…

Obviously these women were victimised, but this is a completely separate issue from those 'sending emails' as those who were doing that would have been completely unaware of the mitigating circumstances and therefore operating under the assumption said women were simply 'making porn'.

You're essentially insinuating that it's 'evil' to consider that 'doing porn' is possibly inconsistent with the values of an institution of higher learning or some other org.. I hate to break it to you but such super liberal ideals are not normative, and you don't really have a right to condemn any group which concludes that 'porn' is unbecoming of someone within their own organisation.

I suggest if said 'emailers' were aware of the mitigating circumstances, they'd feel differently about it; they couldn't have known they were moralising on actual victims.

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Post by 01100011 »

propter_hoc wrote: post #12
01100011 wrote: post #4

My wife fell victim to this before we met. I'm curious how we'd go about filing a case against the website. I send a message to the FBI a few years ago and never heard anything.

That's terrible, I hope you two have been able to heal. I'd suggest trying to contact the lawyers for the plaintiffs to see if your wife has a case as well. This article [1] mentions that this is the lead lawyer: https://sanfordheisler.com/team/ed-chapin/ [1] https://www.law.com/therecorder/2020/01/02/girlsdoporn-faces...

We moved to a new area and just tried to move on. Honestly I feel bad for not pursuing it more aggressively. This post has rekindled my desire to go after the bastard that tricked her. Thanks for sharing the links.

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Post by 01100011 »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #69

This whole thing is idiotic. The lying producers are assholes. The women are idiots for trusting anything told to them in this context by complete strangers motivated only by money. In the words of Shakespeare, "all are punished". >“These are millennial women who grew up with the internet – they knew the consequences of pornographic videos ending up online which is why they asked where the videos were going before th…

I hope you don't have kids. 18 year olds do dumb things. They're legally adults but neurologically speaking that's questionable. My wife was still reeling from an abusive and sexually exploitative relationship and trying to survive when she was tricked into making porn under the guise of auditioning for an off-camera job. Glad to know you think she's an idiot. Class act there buddy.

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Post by lozenge »

randyrand wrote: post #3

was it hidden in the contract? just curious the extent of the lying.

Contracts can be spoken as well as written, and spoken things can also legally be considered part of the contract even when there is a written contract.

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Post by scotty79 »

jariel wrote: post #72
ajmurmann wrote: post #53

> In November 2015 60 emails and phone calls called for her to be expelled. The emails went to the dean of the law school, and to the head of the student body with links to the video. What kind of evil person does this? Is there anything these monsters can be prosecuted for? At least the people who made the movies had a motive in greed. The people who sent these emails wouldn't even gain anything. They are clearly no…

Obviously these women were victimised, but this is a completely separate issue from those 'sending emails' as those who were doing that would have been completely unaware of the mitigating circumstances and therefore operating under the assumption said women were simply 'making porn'. You're essentially insinuating that it's 'evil' to consider that 'doing porn' is possibly inconsistent with the values of an instituti…

Sending emails (and any other reaction to public availability of the videos) was what actually did the lasting harm.

If you did harm then being motivated by your morality or religion doesn't justify what you did. It just explains why you did wrong and why you behaved evil.

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Post by SkyMarshal »

01100011 wrote: post #74
SkyMarshal wrote: post #69

This whole thing is idiotic. The lying producers are assholes. The women are idiots for trusting anything told to them in this context by complete strangers motivated only by money. In the words of Shakespeare, "all are punished". >“These are millennial women who grew up with the internet – they knew the consequences of pornographic videos ending up online which is why they asked where the videos were going before th…

I hope you don't have kids. 18 year olds do dumb things. They're legally adults but neurologically speaking that's questionable. My wife was still reeling from an abusive and sexually exploitative relationship and trying to survive when she was tricked into making porn under the guise of auditioning for an off-camera job. Glad to know you think she's an idiot. Class act there buddy.

>My wife was still reeling from an abusive and sexually exploitative relationship and trying to survive when she was tricked into making porn under the guise of auditioning for an off-camera job.

Of all the women who do porn, what proportion do you believe are doing it for similar reasons as your wife - last resort and survival, vs what proportion do you believe are doing it for the combination of fast/easy money + superficial fame + taboo thrills?

The former are sympathetic. The latter not so much.

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Post by draw_down »

1000units wrote: post #35
01100011 wrote: post #4

My wife fell victim to this before we met. I'm curious how we'd go about filing a case against the website. I send a message to the FBI a few years ago and never heard anything.

There is a pro-bono organization called SIMP (Statutory Implications for Male Predators) dedicated to taking on these cases specifically where young women have been tricked into working in pornography without proper instruction and disclosure about how these productions will be disseminated and what the full consequences may be for themselves and their loved ones. I consider these people monsters of the worst sort, a…

> There is a pro-bono organization called SIMP (Statutory Implications for Male Predators)

Post a link to that or fuck off.

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Post by elfexec »

scotty79 wrote: post #76
jariel wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously these women were victimised, but this is a completely separate issue from those 'sending emails' as those who were doing that would have been completely unaware of the mitigating circumstances and therefore operating under the assumption said women were simply 'making porn'. You're essentially insinuating that it's 'evil' to consider that 'doing porn' is possibly inconsistent with the values of an instituti…

Sending emails (and any other reaction to public availability of the videos) was what actually did the lasting harm. If you did harm then being motivated by your morality or religion doesn't justify what you did. It just explains why you did wrong and why you behaved evil.

> If you did harm then being motivated by your morality or religion doesn't justify what you did.

All morality results in harm. Good does harm to evil - that's the point. Now what is good and what is evil? It's different from people to people, culture to culture. Not only that, it changes with time.

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