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Re: How strong is your knot?

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My favorite, as many others are sharing here, is the figure 8. For climbing, it's a super versatile knot and there's lots of variations for specific use cases. It's also a great knot for discussing the properties of a good knot. I also have found the trucker's hitch really useful from time to time. It allows you to tie down a load, for example a kayak on top of a car. You tie the initial hitch, and then you get to cr…

If we're including hitches, the progress capture clove hitch is amazing.

Re: How strong is your knot?

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For standard knots the Klutz book of knots is really excellent! https://www.amazon.com/Klutz-Book-Knots-John-Cassidy/dp/0932...

The article doesn't mention fishing knots; in case anyone's curious anglers care a lot about knot strength but strength changes based on whether you lubricated the knot when tying and what kind of line you used to tie it (braid vs smooth fluorocarbon for example).

My favorite fishing knot is the uni knot, which is a slip knot that can be used to join lines (double uni) or tie things to line. It's super strong but fishing knots aren't designed to be untied and always cinch down (vs climbing knots which can't collapse / strangle a person). Slipknots are very useful: I use a 3-wrap uni when I'm trussing thankgiving fowl for the oven!

There are some really cool fishing knot strength testing videos on YouTube. The line-to-line joining knots are my favorites -- people get heated debating the merits of the FG knot vs the alberto vs the double uni.

Re: How strong is your knot?

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> I'm somewhat fascinated by people's ability to tie knots that are more complicated than the basic shoelace one. > Even that reef knot gif eludes me -------- These statements are in contradiction. The reef knot IS your shoelace knot. If you can tie your shoelaces, you can tie a reef knot, by definition. Specifically, a "shoelace tie" is the slipped reef knot. "Slipped" means that you leave little loops so that its e…

I think many use the granny for their shoes.

I prefer the granny knot because it rotates the shoelaces so they're less likely to get caught on things. I've never had any trouble with it coming untied. https://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/grannyknot.htm discusses the difference in detail, but fails to acknowledge this benefit of granny knots.

Re: How strong is your knot?

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> I'm somewhat fascinated by people's ability to tie knots that are more complicated than the basic shoelace one. > Even that reef knot gif eludes me -------- These statements are in contradiction. The reef knot IS your shoelace knot. If you can tie your shoelaces, you can tie a reef knot, by definition. Specifically, a "shoelace tie" is the slipped reef knot. "Slipped" means that you leave little loops so that its e…

I think many use the granny for their shoes.

Or wear slip-ons.

Re: How strong is your knot?

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For standard knots the Klutz book of knots is really excellent! https://www.amazon.com/Klutz-Book-Knots-John-Cassidy/dp/0932... The article doesn't mention fishing knots; in case anyone's curious anglers care a lot about knot strength but strength changes based on whether you lubricated the knot when tying and what kind of line you used to tie it (braid vs smooth fluorocarbon for example). My favorite fishing knot is…

Indeed. Fishing knot strength is always a hot topic of debate, particularly during the slower, off-season winter months when everyone's hunkering down and doing tackle maintenance. Here's a pretty good breakdown of the line breaking strength of various fishing knots across monofilament, fluorocarbon, and braided line: https://www.knotsforfishing.com/knot-strength-chart/

I personally prefer the Palomar Knot as it is probably the strongest knot that is also easy to tie. The Improved Clinch Knot and its brethren are also handy to know since there are so many variants that have high breaking strength; I typically teach the Improved Clinch Knot to folks new to fishing.

Re: How strong is your knot?

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My favorite, as many others are sharing here, is the figure 8. For climbing, it's a super versatile knot and there's lots of variations for specific use cases. It's also a great knot for discussing the properties of a good knot. I also have found the trucker's hitch really useful from time to time. It allows you to tie down a load, for example a kayak on top of a car. You tie the initial hitch, and then you get to cr…

The two loop shoelace knot almost qualifies as life changing. Such a small change to something I learned as a child makes such a big difference. Not only do your shoes not come undone, but they don't loosen.

I have to agree. There was so much I didn't know about lacing a hiking shoe but I must admit, that is the part of it that has been most useful outside of hiking shoes.

Re: How strong is your knot?

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The bowline is fine for non-safety-critical uses, but cyclical loading causes it to slip, so I'd suggest anyone who's learning the bowline to learn a "safer" variant and just always use that one (examples are Yosemite Bowline, End Bound Single Bowline, Double Bowline, Bowline on a Bight).

Been using bowlines for safety(fire dept) and sailing 35yrs. Never ever ever seen a proper bowline "shake loose". Can tie it weakside one-handed, upside down, behind my back, in the dark, underwater, while brushing my teeth.

It's the "proper" part that's the problem. Even the Yosemite finish is problematic. Google for "deaths from climbing with bowline" and you'll find lots of veteran climbers who have died or been seriously injured from their bowline coming undone, either because they did it messily and it capsized, or they screwed it up and didn't realize it until they took a fall.

Re: How strong is your knot?

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My list of favorite knots: 1. Square Knot / Reef Knot -- This is the shoelace tie, and its one of the simplest knots. Learn this knot backwards and forwards you'll use it a lot. Avoid the granny knot (a mistaken reef knot). Beginners will often tie the granny knot instead of the square knot. If you can do a square knot, the "Surgeon Knot" is a useful variant which is more secure. 2. Figure Eight -- Superior to the ov…

2. False. (Double) overhand aka euro death knot is superior for joining two ends of rappel line due to its smaller profile - lower probably of getting jammed on pull

Re: How strong is your knot?

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If you want a fun one, look up Somerville Bowline. Great take on a bowline that is non-directional, non-collapsing, very hard to get wrong, small, quick to tie, and cannot be undone under tension. Oh and it’s completely symmetrical so you can pull on either end.

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