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(The above figures are only for road traffic; several people were killed by trains, but those are excluded from calculations because of politics.)
In contrast, the US had over 40,000 traffic deaths in each of 2016, 2017, and 2018. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-13/traffic-d...
Comparing a population of ~329M to a city of 1M seems a bit silly. Scale that and you get 121 deaths / million. That's unfair the other way as we're comparing conditions a large city rural areas of the US as well, but since we began with a silly comparison I'm not sure how we fix it without starting over. In Austin TX, population ~1M, we had 74 vehicle related fatalities in 2018.
And you're kind of contradicting your claim that it's totally useless. 121/million vs. 1/million shows at what order of magnitude the comparison takes place, which is good enough to contextualize things, and your example of Austin further shows that the order of magnitude isn't far off.
One interesting observation on Oslo is that, pedestrians do cross the street when it's red for them, if there's no moving traffic close by. This is totally different from, for example, Copenhagen, Stockholm and places I visited in Germany. They're like Italians of the north. That's probably why we felt at home on the streets during our stay there, as a family from Turkey. I would love to have that 0 deaths statistics…
>This is totally different from, for example, Copenhagen, Stockholm That's not right in my experience. Swedes walk across when it's red. Danes wait for green, even when standing by an empty road in the middle of the night. When the Øresund bridge was opened, Swedish television made news spots informing people in Scania that Danish motorist aren't used to people stepping out on the road, and to be attentive spotting d…
Maybe it's because I was paying attention to tourists like me who obviously reluctant to cross on red in a foreign country.
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Comparing a population of ~329M to a city of 1M seems a bit silly. Scale that and you get 121 deaths / million. That's unfair the other way as we're comparing conditions a large city rural areas of the US as well, but since we began with a silly comparison I'm not sure how we fix it without starting over. In Austin TX, population ~1M, we had 74 vehicle related fatalities in 2018.
I mean... it's context to make it relevant to US readers. You didn't see me say there was a direct comparison to be made. And you're kind of contradicting your claim that it's totally useless. 121/million vs. 1/million shows at what order of magnitude the comparison takes place, which is good enough to contextualize things, and your example of Austin further shows that the order of magnitude isn't far off.
"In my neighborhood last year there were also no vehicle fatalities."
Is that in any way helpful?
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Also need to look at travel times. Norway has low speed limits and makes driving an inconvenience in the pursuit of perfect safety records. But it takes away from being able to get where you want quickly (cities with road infrastructure that is not over-subscribed are way faster to get around than walking/biking/public transit) and on your own terms (no waiting times, room for people/cargo, etc.). The tradeoffs for a…
Imagine thinking that making things more convenient for drivers is worth a lot more dead people!
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> They seem surprised when I honk at them. Maybe roll down your window and say something instead of blaring your horn at people who aren’t encased in a car. Although I am not sure why you think you have a right to teach strangers a lesson.
When the dude is walking across a 3 way 45MPH in each direction street in a low light situation. Then 1 block away was a well lit cross walk. Yeah he gets the horn. Sorry if I did not make that clear. Did not think I had to... Oh that happened to me just last week. Although I am not sure why you think it is OK for that 1 dude to hold up about 40 other people.
That's not what horns are for. You seem to think it's a punitive device, and I certainly would interpret it similarly to you aiming the muzzle of a gun at my chest.
Granted, I'll agree that's a dumb situation to cross the street, but your actions make it even worse.
To be clear, I mean that if everyone did what you do, going around rationalizing how people "get the horn" when they upset you rather than when your car is in legitimate imminent danger of a collision, we're mainly accomplishing two things:
1. Making driving more aggressive as a whole, associating all these little driving interactions with BLARING CAR HORN SOUNDS
2. Cheapening the meaning of the car horn for when it actually matters
The horn isn't a tool for letting out your aggression. Try screaming obscenities loudly in your car or something else fun like that.
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Almost like it would make sense to have at least legally separate pathways for motorized, less motorized (scooters, e-bikes), bicycles and pedestrians, because they are very different forms of transport.
It makes perfect sense in theory. In the real world though space is limited. We cannot have separate spaces: there isn't enough room - unless you space things out so far that only only car transport makes sense, at which point why bother building paths for the other modes? Which is why suburbs don't have sidewalks: there is no place you can practically go by any mode other than car so why bother creating space for th…
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Speed limits are incredibly low. I drove across Norway this summer and never saw a speed limit higher than 50mph.
Highway speeds are 90-110km/h (55-70mph). General speed limits are 80km/h and 50km/h (50/30mph) depending on pop. density. Speeds are often reduced if the road is sub par or if there have been accidents on that bit of road. Yes. The limits are low, but definitivly not _incredibly_ low.
I drove Oslo Airport -> Flåm -> Bergen -> Oslo Airport. Looks like E16 / 7 / 52 were the roads involved, 968km loop.
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Downtown Manila basically has bridges over every intersection, or underground walkways with elevators for the disabled. It works out great. Though admittedly it’s more of a workout than walking in flat Manhattan.
So you've got to go up and down to cross every single intersection? That sounds like a nightmare that makes walking take significantly longer.