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Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by kelnos »

ianai wrote: post #558
asveikau wrote: post #530

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I don't know what "adding Guam and Puerto Rico" means when they are already US territories. Your comment seems to imply that this means statehood, i.e. addition of senators and voting representatives. But the parent throws them in with Greenland, which is not a US territory.

Pretty sure only trump has ever seriously posited adding Greenland to the US. I’d love for a source of that idea though.

IIRC the US tried to purchase Greenland after WWII, but Denmark declined back then as well.

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by loco5niner »

6nf wrote: post #304
pascalxus wrote: post #272

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Yes, the only way #6 will come true is if the replacement for meat looks, smells and tastes exactly like the real thing and it'll have to be cheaper too. People all over the world love meat, especially US, UK and the Chinese. I've tried to convince some family members to reduce their meat consumption even a tiniest amount gets a huge amount of resistance. People aren't going to give up their meat: they may not even b…

Faced with a choice between beef or fake beef that tastes exactly the same, most people will just go for the real beef. They don't want the highly processed fake stuff that contains who knows what. The only way beef loses is if the alternatives are significantly cheaper. If a McBeef is $5 more than a McFakeBeef then you got a shot at converting people.

> If a McBeef is $5 more than a McFakeBeef

Ironic choice to use McDonalds "beef" as the example of real meat.

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by loco5niner »

joyjoyjoy wrote: post #345
Baeocystin wrote: post #337

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>Source: grew up there

Yeah. Because we know that post-soviet Russians are very happy people. Not. Source: I am there once a month.

I think you are missing the joke...

I imagine that if English is not your first language, it would be easy to miss this, since the joke plays on multiple meanings for the phrase "can't complain".

Usually, in this context, "Can't complain" means "life is good".

However, in this joke, the secondary meaning of "Can't complain" indicates that "You can't complain about life in soviet Russia, because if you do complain, you get in big trouble".

Basically, this indicates that life in soviet Russia was NOT good.

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by 6nf »

prawn wrote: post #607
6nf wrote: post #432

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Hey if they can develop lab-meat cultures with the same(ish) makeup of real meat then yes I'd love that stuff. If I can get the same product but without suffering of animals then I'm 100% on board. What I don't like is this current crop of fake meat. I don't know what it's made of and I don't want to eat something with a list of ingredients as long as my arm pretending to be something else.

When you say that you don't know what it's made of, is that because you haven't actually looked it up? The Impossible Foods site goes into solid detail on what goes into their product, more than you'd find on other commonly ingested products like ice cream or whatever where the website is purely an appeal to taste buds. Many of us would be eating daily a variety of things with long lists of ingredients. What if that…

I don't buy anything that has a list of ingredients on the package. I buy the ingredients individually.

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by 6nf »

skosch wrote: post #547
6nf wrote: post #432

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Hey if they can develop lab-meat cultures with the same(ish) makeup of real meat then yes I'd love that stuff. If I can get the same product but without suffering of animals then I'm 100% on board. What I don't like is this current crop of fake meat. I don't know what it's made of and I don't want to eat something with a list of ingredients as long as my arm pretending to be something else.

Consider that "subjects raw plant matter to complicated chemical processes to produce something meat-tasting" is equally true for fake meat factories as it is for cows. Just because the recipe for real meat has come about via evolutionary (and not laboratory) trial-and-error, doesn't necessarily make it healthier.

We've been eating meat for thousands of years.

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by ace_of_spades »

SllX wrote: post #356
gordaco wrote: post #322

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You are being downvoted, but I think that you are totally right. For an awful lot of people, eating meat is a matter of status; it's similar to why many people prefer having big cars even if they are less environmentally friendly. There is also the fact that plant based diets are still associated to certain ideologies and because of that they will keep being scoffed at by people from opposing ideologies. Sure, you do…

As someone who isn’t considering giving up my ways, red blooded meat eating American that I am, I actually appreciate vegans to some degree. As long as there are an appreciable number of them, I will enjoy a greater variety of dishes and ingredients available to me, and oftentimes fresher ingredients too. Insofar as they are making choices that benefit them, they also make choices that benefit me. Where they lose me,…

As there seem to be very few comments actually defending the ethical vegan standpoint here I go.

Vegans who ask for „sin taxes“ don‘t want to piss you off, they simply have the belief (and actually quite well justifiable so) that meat consumption leads to quite a lot of suffering in the world. You don’t seem to be opposed to taxes on ghg emissions - presumably because you believe that they cause suffering. Why is it not reasonable to also punish/tax other behavior that causes suffering? Do you really believe that animal suffering doesn’t count?

I would really encourage you to reflect your position on this and maybe revise towards being more forgiving towards people who simply care about the suffering of animals.

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by 6nf »

loco5niner wrote: post #642
6nf wrote: post #304

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Faced with a choice between beef or fake beef that tastes exactly the same, most people will just go for the real beef. They don't want the highly processed fake stuff that contains who knows what. The only way beef loses is if the alternatives are significantly cheaper. If a McBeef is $5 more than a McFakeBeef then you got a shot at converting people.

> If a McBeef is $5 more than a McFakeBeef Ironic choice to use McDonalds "beef" as the example of real meat.

Australian McDonalds beef patties contain exactly three ingredients: Beef, salt, pepper. That's it.

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by 6nf »

collyw wrote: post #609
6nf wrote: post #304

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Faced with a choice between beef or fake beef that tastes exactly the same, most people will just go for the real beef. They don't want the highly processed fake stuff that contains who knows what. The only way beef loses is if the alternatives are significantly cheaper. If a McBeef is $5 more than a McFakeBeef then you got a shot at converting people.

> Faced with a choice between beef or fake beef that tastes exactly the same, most people will just go for the real beef. How can you say that with certainty? There isn't any fake beef that tastes similar that I am aware of.

People tend to choose what they are familiar with over the new/unknown.

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by carapace »

aazaa wrote: post #85

Many of these seem like wishful thinking on the part of the author. For example, take the first one: > The looming climate crisis will be to this century what the two world wars were to the previous one. Oddly enough, if you go back to 2010 for predictions about the next decade, you'll see quite a few people talking about "peak oil." Almost nobody predicted a sharp turnaround in oil production and I don't think anyon…

Peak oil is still a thing, it was delayed by fracking. Oil is still a non-renewable resource.

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by loco5niner »

6nf wrote: post #647
loco5niner wrote: post #642

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> If a McBeef is $5 more than a McFakeBeef Ironic choice to use McDonalds "beef" as the example of real meat.

Australian McDonalds beef patties contain exactly three ingredients: Beef, salt, pepper. That's it.

Interesting. Did a little reading. It does seem that in the last few years, McDonalds has cleaned up it's food a bit.
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