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BusKill: A kill cord for your laptop

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Re: BusKill: A kill cord for your laptop

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If you're using a macbook, isn't "Find my mac" enough to erase remotely?, I understand this is a faster disabling mechanism but also a bit inconvenient. I wish there was something even easier, like a tiny usb drive with a remote control

With FindMy I can erase or mark as lost my Macbook in under 20 seconds from unlocking my iPhone if needed.

Re: BusKill: A kill cord for your laptop

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If you are doing proper OpSec, you would have whole disk encryption anyway, in which case destroying the computer is largely unnecessary, I think. That said, the caveat of XKCD 538 ( https://www.xkcd.com/538/ ) still applies.

Are there any known cases of western police forces beating people with wrenches until they gave up passwords?

Sure, read up on Northern Ireland.

Re: BusKill: A kill cord for your laptop

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Indeed. My point is he had full disk encryption and password at boot and it didn’t stop the govt from accessing his data.

It was logged in and running when they snatched it. Hence why a breakaway mag connector and dead-man shutdown script might have been helpful.

In this case that may not have been useful, assuming law enforcement knows about the cord. Law enforcement will plug in a mouse jiggler (simulated moving USB mouse), having the script detect rogue USB devices and shutting down at that moment would add another layer of protection. I saw that solution a few years back... Maybe this works doubly well for devices with USB and USB-c power connections now... Since law enforcement try to keep power running on machines seized in this way.

Re: BusKill: A kill cord for your laptop

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Whenever I read stuff like this I am forced to wonder just what the fuck people are doing that they feel such a pressing need to hide their data from law enforcement. I mean, I have plenty of things to hide just like any other reasonably interesting person, but none of it is outright criminal.

They could be organizing protests in Hong Kong. Or be a union organizer in South Africa.

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Re: BusKill: A kill cord for your laptop

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In theory an adversary could deep-freeze the computer the moment the kill cord activates. Sufficiently cold RAM doesn't loose data immediately when it loses power, allowing the adversary to make a copy and read the decryption keys from RAM. Though if this is part of your threat model you should be much more concerned about a thousand more mundane problems, like adversaries reconstructing keystrokes from keyboard vibr…

I'd like to see a post demonstrating this attack.

For getting encryption keys from RAM after shutdown there's this video mentioned by another commentor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDaicPIgn9U

For using reflections, there's this paper implementing reading screen content from various things like reading glasses, a can of coke or even the user's eye (including a discussion of limitations): http://gauss.ececs.uc.edu/Courses/c6055/extra/reflections.pd...

Right now I can't find something on reading keyboard vibrations with lasers, but here's one doing it acoustically and one doing it via acclerometer of a phone on the table:

https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/23322/keyboard-...

https://dl.packetstormsecurity.net/papers/general/traynor-cc...

Re: BusKill: A kill cord for your laptop

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I'm surprised there isn't a "ready to go" solution with a duress passphrase that boots a plausible, but "clean" system.

you'll still have to explain why there is a huge blob of seemingly random data on your hard drive if someone looks close enough.

With whole disk encryption the whole drive is seemingly random data, that's the point.

Re: BusKill: A kill cord for your laptop

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It can do whatever you want it to do. The examples in the article were: • whenever any USB drive is removed, trigger xscreensaver to lock the screen: > ACTION=="remove", SUBSYSTEM=="usb", RUN+="DISPLAY=:0 xscreensaver-command -lock" • whenever a specific USB drive is removed, shut down the computer: > ACTION=="remove", SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ENV{ID_MODEL}=="Micromax_A74", RUN+="shutdown -h now"

Nitpick, it can do whatever you want it to do that’s possible in software. You’ll be disappointed if you want to have it drill a hole in your hard drive ;)

Just build a USB-powered hard-drive drill, duh.

Re: BusKill: A kill cord for your laptop

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are doing proper OpSec, you would have whole disk encryption anyway, in which case destroying the computer is largely unnecessary, I think. That said, the caveat of XKCD 538 ( https://www.xkcd.com/538/ ) still applies.

In theory an adversary could deep-freeze the computer the moment the kill cord activates. Sufficiently cold RAM doesn't loose data immediately when it loses power, allowing the adversary to make a copy and read the decryption keys from RAM. Though if this is part of your threat model you should be much more concerned about a thousand more mundane problems, like adversaries reconstructing keystrokes from keyboard vibr…

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