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BusKill: A kill cord for your laptop

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Re: BusKill: A kill cord for your laptop

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> In less than 60 seconds and with the help of a rubber ducky, the thief could literally cause millions of dollars in damages to your organization.

Kudos for the imagination, but in real life for most developers not vendorizing and auditing their dependencies (+ downloading them all from production) is most likely to cause such havoc (regardless if dozen thousands or millions of damage)...

I imagine this might likely happen in places like security and programming language conferences, especially when you leave your belongings around unattended for a minute or two.

The ideal scenario IMHO would be to have to authorize/reject devices from connecting to your machine (and limiting the scope). I don't know much about USB-C and know it is hard, but I see Apple coming up with something like this in the future (maybe along with Apple Watch detection for quick logout - you can already use it for logging in).

Re: BusKill: A kill cord for your laptop

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This is a really neat project but it’s also not really a solution to anything. First, it doesn’t solve for the scenario of person pointing a gun at you and telling you to access your top secret files for them. That will defeat most forms of security and so if physical access is a concern you probably shouldn’t be logging in at your local coffee shop. Second, a thief who wants your computer for its monetary value isn’…

> it’s also not really a solution to anything

It's a solution to situations like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Silk_Road,_arres... , where the laptop is taken by people who (a) can legally seize it, (b) can legally search it, but (c) probably can't legally compel you to produce passwords.

(Not endorsing this usage!)

Re: BusKill: A kill cord for your laptop

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Archive link because the website is down: http://web.archive.org/web/20200102140351/https://tech.micha... I was expecting a "kill switch" destroying the computer, but that's just a thing that switch off your laptop when unplugged. I guess you could also do this with bluetooth, for example.

I suppose if the drive is encrypted and requires a passphrase at boot, it's effective for FBI raids, etc.

Re: BusKill: A kill cord for your laptop

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post #16

Archive link because the website is down: http://web.archive.org/web/20200102140351/https://tech.micha... I was expecting a "kill switch" destroying the computer, but that's just a thing that switch off your laptop when unplugged. I guess you could also do this with bluetooth, for example.

If you are doing proper OpSec, you would have whole disk encryption anyway, in which case destroying the computer is largely unnecessary, I think. That said, the caveat of XKCD 538 ( https://www.xkcd.com/538/ ) still applies.

I'm surprised there isn't a "ready to go" solution with a duress passphrase that boots a plausible, but "clean" system.

Re: BusKill: A kill cord for your laptop

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post #16

Archive link because the website is down: http://web.archive.org/web/20200102140351/https://tech.micha... I was expecting a "kill switch" destroying the computer, but that's just a thing that switch off your laptop when unplugged. I guess you could also do this with bluetooth, for example.

If you are doing proper OpSec, you would have whole disk encryption anyway, in which case destroying the computer is largely unnecessary, I think. That said, the caveat of XKCD 538 ( https://www.xkcd.com/538/ ) still applies.

In theory an adversary could deep-freeze the computer the moment the kill cord activates. Sufficiently cold RAM doesn't loose data immediately when it loses power, allowing the adversary to make a copy and read the decryption keys from RAM.

Though if this is part of your threat model you should be much more concerned about a thousand more mundane problems, like adversaries reconstructing keystrokes from keyboard vibrations that are easily measured with a laser, or reconstructing screen content from reflections on a spoon.

Re: BusKill: A kill cord for your laptop

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Maybe a smartwatch reading the heart rate of the owner and noticing stimulation could trigger the same functionality as well.

The connection between the smartwatch and the computer would, in practice, be wireless, which is something the author wants to avoid because it's easier to hack without the victim noticing.

I'm sure with encryption there shouldn't be much worry. I think currently apple watches allow users to unlock their computers when returning.

Re: BusKill: A kill cord for your laptop

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are doing proper OpSec, you would have whole disk encryption anyway, in which case destroying the computer is largely unnecessary, I think. That said, the caveat of XKCD 538 ( https://www.xkcd.com/538/ ) still applies.

I'm surprised there isn't a "ready to go" solution with a duress passphrase that boots a plausible, but "clean" system.

Not really ready-to-go, but can be set up in entirety in like half an hour with VeraCrypt

Re: BusKill: A kill cord for your laptop

#39
I guess I'll share in this thread.

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I have a OnePlus 6T with the stock ROM exclusively for my British phone number. On the 25th of December, someone from Canada logged into the GMail account used on that phone, from a OnePlus 3T.

The password was one randomly generated in KeePass (all of them are except for useless websites). They managed to change the password to the account, but seemingly nothing else, so that's just weird.

I received the notification on my other email, and recovered the account, reset the password, replaced with a new one.

---2---

Last week, I opened up a laptop I use for storage (3 drives fit inside, perfect for backups) and noticed a network drive with a Chinese name. It disappeared when I clicked on it. The laptop is always on connected to my router and to a VPN server.

Now I need to completely wipe the phone, root and use a custom ROM, as well as wipe the laptop (and two other computers?), upgrade OpenWRT on the router and change all of the passwords I guess. Yes, I still haven't done it heh.

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----------->I am curious about your comments on this.---

Never had anything really suspicious like this actually happen to me.

I don't even have anything good/useful on my devices, except a Keepass database with passwords to all bank accounts/emails/etc. If that's been opened, I'm a bit fucked, but I'd be receiving notifications on my phone and other emails.

Re: BusKill: A kill cord for your laptop

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post #34
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are doing proper OpSec, you would have whole disk encryption anyway, in which case destroying the computer is largely unnecessary, I think. That said, the caveat of XKCD 538 ( https://www.xkcd.com/538/ ) still applies.

I'm surprised there isn't a "ready to go" solution with a duress passphrase that boots a plausible, but "clean" system.

It's not quite ready to go, but it's doable with TrueCrypt/VeraCrypt: https://www.veracrypt.fr/en/VeraCrypt%20Hidden%20Operating%2...
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