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Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019

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Post by alkonaut » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 12:40 PM UTC

richardwhiuk wrote: post #154

vintermann wrote: post #84

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If the buyer doesn't want it, Norway sets down the price until someone does. We make sure every barrel pumped is burned eventually. In the end, we have to leave carbon in the ground. Even with increasingly dubious prospects for profitability, and increasing environmental risks (from oil extradition in the far north), Norwegian governments have not been willing to leave any oil in the ground.

Why is turning it into plastics a problem? You don't have to burn oil....

Most of the plastic I buy is burned (as trash) probably within a year from me buying it. Sweden burns its trash, we don't stuff it in landfills, and even though I recycle a lot of plastic, it's far from all of it. It's mostly packaging plastic that's recycled, not e.g. toys.

Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019

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Post by thegerman010 » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 12:41 PM UTC

gokhan wrote: post #13

One interesting observation on Oslo is that, pedestrians do cross the street when it's red for them, if there's no moving traffic close by. This is totally different from, for example, Copenhagen, Stockholm and places I visited in Germany. They're like Italians of the north. That's probably why we felt at home on the streets during our stay there, as a family from Turkey. I would love to have that 0 deaths statistics…

Ever been to Amsterdam? Its crazy here

Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019

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Post by klmr » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 12:47 PM UTC

hycaria wrote: post #59

filmor wrote: post #50

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Rightly so. Children can't (as reliable as you) decide how safe it is in a given situation to cross.

Child was holding the hand of the shouting Oma.

Children learn by imitation. That, and not the fear that the child might run after you (?!), is the reason why it’s frowned upon to cross red lights in front of children.

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Post by Symbiote » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 12:49 PM UTC

vinay427 wrote: post #144

mytailorisrich wrote: post #127

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This is not compulsory. It is perfectly legal to keep your EU/EEA licence as long as it is valid. They can force you to exchange it for a local one, though, if you commit certain driving offences.

It is required to get one in your country of residence when it expires (and licenses that are valid for life can be limited to two years), or if it is lost, stolen, or damaged. That's not what I would consider "without time limits," and certainly not what I would consider "as valid" as a local Norwegian license. It's more of an extension of the several months or year that people from any other country get.

It's no different than a local renewing the card (the license itself lasts longer than the plastic card).

That's in contrast to people from some non EEA countries who have to take a local driving test.

Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019

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Post by tqkxzugoaupvwqr » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 12:50 PM UTC

smcl wrote: post #54

kmlx wrote: post #30

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same in the UK. but more than that, in the UK in any intersection with traffic lights the pedestrians will never have a green light at the same time as cars. meanwhile, in most countries i've visited making a left or a right turn in an intersection will most likely cause you to stop for pedestrians that also get a green light. frustrating and illogical!

This is the case here - many pedestrian crossings aren't guarded by lights but by stripes on the road. There is one beside my work which is incredibly poorly timed. It turns green for pedestrians about 10 seconds after a traffic light goes green for cars further down the road - where it takes about 9 seconds for cars to accelerate to ~40kph and reach the crossing. I've personally seen one person get hit (driver sped…

Send an email to your city and explain the problem.

Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019

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Post by praptak » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 12:51 PM UTC

AdrianB1 wrote: post #91

praptak wrote: post #71

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Is Norway responsible for the emissions? It's the buyers who decide to burn the oil rather than use it to produce other stuff.

You can use the same argument to sell guns to 8 year old. Do you?

Perhaps if you are willing to misinterpret my argument as absolving anyone from any responsibility for the end effect of helping somebody.

Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019

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Post by ozim » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 12:51 PM UTC

ossworkerrights wrote: post #129

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #105

The entire country (Norway) had 0 children traffic deaths in 2019. In total 110 traffic deaths, of which 72% were men, very similar to the past few years. About 2/3rd of deaths were drivers or passengers in a car (the rest motorbike or pedestrian), and of those in cars 1/3rd were not using a seat belt. So it's likely you could get an immediate decrease in total traffic deaths of close to 20% if you could just force e…

What a stark contrast to Romania, which had almost 2000 deaths at a population only 4 times larger than norway. Wondering what are the lessons to learn and apply to that country as the situation is out of control.

I am from Poland have not been to Norway but I live in the Netherlands. I have been to Romania for work for about two months.

It is mostly driving culture, I noticed in Romania people have to get quick everywhere because of "reasons". They have a car so they feel important. Like "out of the way pesants on foot". There was a lot of bad roads, and romanian people I was working with, mostly complained about roads being shitty. (Taxi drivers driving like Formula 1 drivers, good that we did not crashed into anything)

That said, Poland would be somewhere in between Romania and Netherlands (not sure about stats) but in my impression of driving culture. There is still a lot of people who think "I have a car, I am important, I have to be quick everywhere because of reasons". Infrastructure was bad in Poland as well (last years we got a lot of better roads, so I am happy about that and hope Romania gets their infra a lot better also, or have it built now).

In the Netherlands, no one gives a fuck if you have a car, you are not important just because you drive. Everyone basically can afford a car (not being communistic country, everyone having a car would be quite normal since 80's, I bet Norway also had a lot more people driving since 80's than in PL or Romania) so by any means having a car is not a status symbol (unless it is new Porsche or Tesla). Fines are insanely expensive (at least from what I read it is also the case in Norway).

So basically two things as my take away for this: drivers thinking they are more important, shitty infrastructure.

Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019

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Post by ossworkerrights » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 12:54 PM UTC

alkonaut wrote: post #141

ossworkerrights wrote: post #129

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What a stark contrast to Romania, which had almost 2000 deaths at a population only 4 times larger than norway. Wondering what are the lessons to learn and apply to that country as the situation is out of control.

First of all, having 0.02% blood alcohol limit (I.e. effectively a zero tolerance) is a good and cheap start. Next comes the expensive things: Replace the car fleet with large, safe and modern cars. Build infrastructure like pedestrian walkways etc to have few unprotected people in traffic. Replace crossings with roundabouts and rebuild motorways and other high speed roads to never have oncoming traffic (separating r…

Yeah tolerance is 0% in Romania, and imo the issue is cultural. Overtaking on two lane roads while there is oncoming traffic is pretty common, and so is overtaking in sharp curves with little visibility. There are no mechanisms of reporting such issues to the police, and laws are made such ways that criminals get away with it. A few weeks ago a politician talking on their phone killed two people by entering the wrong way, and guess what? Romania’s legal system put part of the blame on victims because apparently they havent tried hard enough to avoid the collision! Ming boggles.

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Post by S_A_P » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 12:56 PM UTC

vegardx wrote: post #119

alistairSH wrote: post #114

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In the US, pedestrian signals do NOT signal when it’s safe to cross. Cars almost always have a green in the same direction, meaning they can turn into you. I almost get run over once a month because of this.

Seems like a cultural problem, not a crosswalk light problem. Most people (myself included) automatically slow down when driving into a crosswalk. Our intersections are usually fairly small, so it's hard to build up any speed, even if you wanted to.

This. In Houston you have the added adventure of every 1 of every 2.5 people distracted driving and not looking where they are going or minding the pedestrian traffic.

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Post by duncanawoods » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 12:58 PM UTC

kmlx wrote: post #30

gokhan wrote: post #13

One interesting observation on Oslo is that, pedestrians do cross the street when it's red for them, if there's no moving traffic close by. This is totally different from, for example, Copenhagen, Stockholm and places I visited in Germany. They're like Italians of the north. That's probably why we felt at home on the streets during our stay there, as a family from Turkey. I would love to have that 0 deaths statistics…

same in the UK. but more than that, in the UK in any intersection with traffic lights the pedestrians will never have a green light at the same time as cars. meanwhile, in most countries i've visited making a left or a right turn in an intersection will most likely cause you to stop for pedestrians that also get a green light. frustrating and illogical!

"Green at the same time" in the UK is flashing-amber and means "if free, proceed with caution".

Nearby, in a shopping/student district, there is a dual-carriage-away with high pedestrian crossing flow. It is only green for pedestrians for a few seconds before going to flashing-amber for both. It makes some sense as it's so wide that many cars can pass while people are still crossing.

However, as a pedestrian, I really hate it and feel unsafe. It rewards driver aggression because they treat it as green try to intimidate pedestrians by racing at any that are crossing or thinking about it.

Ultimately I think it angers both parties because each one thinks they have right of way and the other party is in error when really the flashing-amber has made it ambiguous and turns it into "aggressor wins".