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Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by hnuser123456 »

gordon_freeman wrote: post #414
ValentineC wrote: post #145

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If you buy a lot from Amazon, you can also choose Internet Archive as your supported charity. (I was also going to suggest nominating Internet Archive as a charity for Humble Bundle purchases as well, but it seems like they no longer support choosing your own charities.)

This is a good idea. On AmazonSmile I currently support National Park Foundation but can think of supporting this one too in the future (maybe rotating basis quarterly). I am curious which other similar nonprofits HNers think are available on AmazonSmile to think of donating to?

I picked EFF

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by Semaphor »

chii wrote: post #472
gordaco wrote: post #422

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Yes, I was thinking mostly about beef. Which seems to be the most environmentally impactful meat, by the way. Pork is less impactful and poultry is even less. Obligatory wikipedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_meat_p...

and insect protein is even less than that! but you'd be hard pressed to find people who would substitute their animal protein with insect protein.

Not sure if it’s the brand, but I tried frozen patties based on insect protein here (in Germany, IIRC the producer was dutch). I was excited to try it, but besides being more expensive than beef, it tasted bland. Now with beef, it’s neither frozen not pre-assembled into patties, so that might also be a difference, but for now I’m holding out for lab-grown meat.

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by rhinoceraptor »

yesenadam wrote: post #511
wincy wrote: post #396

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It doesn’t help that I get headaches when I eat my garden grown tomatoes. No such reaction to eating a ribeye. How tall will my children grow up to be on a plant based diet? I want my children to grow up to be stronger than those around them.

>How tall will my children grow up to be on a plant based diet? I want my children to grow up to be stronger than those around them. Well, oxen manage to be strong as an ox on a 100% plant-based diet. Giraffes get pretty tall too.

Lions, sharks and polar bears are also very strong, on a carnivorous diet. What does that says about human nutrition? Absolutely nothing.

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by TACIXAT »

politelemon wrote: post #109

I would take a pessimistic view on #8: > Mass surveillance by governments and corporations will become normal and expected this decade and people will increasingly turn to new products and services to protect themselves from surveillance. The biggest consumer technology successes of this decade will be in the area of privacy. I'd take this a step further and fear that not only will it become the norm, even making use…

Yea, I really think this one will be the opposite. Surveillance will increase and people will not do anything about it. People cannot effectively deal with online surveillance, what happens when that intensifies in the physical space? We are so far behind on this front that I do not believe we can catch up.

I hope so though, it would be beautiful if Open Whisper Systems was the next unicorn.

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Post by rhinoceraptor »

pascalxus wrote: post #346
rhlsthrm wrote: post #321

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But what if it's not "highly processed" due to advancements in tech? Personally I would always choose the fake (lab grown or plant based) over the real meat. Real meat and three industrial farming process just has too many ways that the product is prone to contamination, not even to mention the cruelty/ethics. I say this as an avid meat eater as well. I love the taste of meat but I'd switch in a heartbeat once there'…

This is a bit shocking and I'll get downvoted for it but: Not to mention that red meat is a class 2 carcinogen (Source: WHO). And processed meat, is a class 1 carcinogen, right up there with Plutonium, according to the World health organization.

Repeat after me: “correlation does not equal causation”.

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by gfodor »

ma2rten wrote: post #313

Regarding China, I believe that the Chinese economy will collapse because less and less countries will want to do business with China due to it’s human rights violations. Regarding plan based diets, I agree but I think that eating meat will be seen as babaric. I believe that the way way we treat animals now will be seen similarly as we see slavery now. Regarding, decentralized internet and crypto currencies. I don’t…

I agree with you on the sentiment of meat of our descendants. I consume meat but have moved towards less sentient animals, but the status quo gives one a deep moral appreciation for the world it seems likely people lived in during slavery, where the moral calamity was appreciated to varying degrees by all, but each person other than those who woke up each day fighting the institution directly were living lives with some level of embedded hypocracy.

It will be quite satisfying to see the folks today who believe they hold the apex of morality and yet still eat meat, or tacitly support through participating in animal-product economic activity, realize ultimately that despite their self-assurance they are truly moral, good people their kids will see them as abject moral failures skin to those who sad idly by and participated in the economy underpinned by slave labor. The great irony is that just as they look down on our ancestors as being morally unenlightened, they will not even slightly avoid the same branding by the next generation — it seems unavoidable as long as our world exists due to the unjust treatment of others, including animals.

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Post by skosch »

6nf wrote: post #432
jka wrote: post #361

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Even within a much smaller price margin, there'd still be plenty of reasons to make kill-free meat the default preference. Abattoir and meat-processing facilities might not be able to achieve the same quality bar for hygiene as lab-developed meat cultures. That should ultimately translate into better food safety for consumers. There are also strong ethical and environmental arguments for choosing kill-free meat as op…

Hey if they can develop lab-meat cultures with the same(ish) makeup of real meat then yes I'd love that stuff. If I can get the same product but without suffering of animals then I'm 100% on board. What I don't like is this current crop of fake meat. I don't know what it's made of and I don't want to eat something with a list of ingredients as long as my arm pretending to be something else.

Consider that "subjects raw plant matter to complicated chemical processes to produce something meat-tasting" is equally true for fake meat factories as it is for cows. Just because the recipe for real meat has come about via evolutionary (and not laboratory) trial-and-error, doesn't necessarily make it healthier.

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by sah2ed »

s_Hogg wrote: post #426
aazaa wrote: post #85

Many of these seem like wishful thinking on the part of the author. For example, take the first one: > The looming climate crisis will be to this century what the two world wars were to the previous one. Oddly enough, if you go back to 2010 for predictions about the next decade, you'll see quite a few people talking about "peak oil." Almost nobody predicted a sharp turnaround in oil production and I don't think anyon…

I'm in a country that has seen the land mass of Indonesia (population: approx. 240 million), burn off in the last month or so. I'm not sure where you are (somewhere colder?), but it's real and happening now and there's no further argument to be had about it really. Talking about the credibility of institutions changes nothing of the actuality of what is actually going on.

> I'm in a country that has seen the land mass of Indonesia (population: approx. 240 million), burn off in the last month or so.

Australia?

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Post by rhinoceraptor »

redisman wrote: post #506
6nf wrote: post #304

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Faced with a choice between beef or fake beef that tastes exactly the same, most people will just go for the real beef. They don't want the highly processed fake stuff that contains who knows what. The only way beef loses is if the alternatives are significantly cheaper. If a McBeef is $5 more than a McFakeBeef then you got a shot at converting people.

I guess there's no reason veggie meat wouldn't become much cheaper than real meat. It takes a lot less resources to grow a bushel of soy or wheat or GMO super-grain than a quarter pound of a cow.

It takes basically no resources to graze cattle on grasslands. Plus, as a bonus it sequesters carbon and creates topsoil.

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Post by s_Hogg »

sah2ed wrote: post #548
s_Hogg wrote: post #426

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I'm in a country that has seen the land mass of Indonesia (population: approx. 240 million), burn off in the last month or so. I'm not sure where you are (somewhere colder?), but it's real and happening now and there's no further argument to be had about it really. Talking about the credibility of institutions changes nothing of the actuality of what is actually going on.

> I'm in a country that has seen the land mass of Indonesia (population: approx. 240 million), burn off in the last month or so. Australia?

Yes
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