What Will Happen in the 2020s • Hacker News Board

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by cable2600 » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 5:26 AM UTC

>6/ Plant based diets will dominate the world by the end of the decade. Eating meat will become a delicacy, much like eating caviar is today. Much of the world’s food production will move from farms to laboratories.

GMO Frankenfood made in labs hasn't been proven safer than regular meat in peer reviewed studies yet.

Eating all plants like potatoes in The Martian have to take multi-vitamins as well. It is boring to eat the same thing each day.

McDonald's has farms so that it can sell a $1.48 McDouble cheaper than a $6 salad. If plants cost more money, why eat them when meat is cheaper? Ever tried to price plants in the veggie section? They cost too much, but you can buy a frozen pizza for $3 which is cheaper.

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by gfodor » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 5:27 AM UTC

buboard wrote: post #156

gfodor wrote: post #63

I predict the 2020's will turn out to be the most difficult-to-predict decade yet. The predictions of the OP in my mind fail to account for several yet-to-mature disruptive technologies that will potentially transform our society to the degree the Internet and web have. The only prediction I'll make is in the domain where I work: By the end of the decade, most people will be wearing some kind of immersive computing d…

While its correct that telecommunication will become much important at work, i dont see why people will be stuck in VR outside work. If all work is remote, why would anyone choose to live away from loved ones?

This is a good point — the elimination of physical co presence as a requirement for most forms of interaction other than intimate ones may lead to a world where people physically return to be nearest their kin, and interact with all other institutions they are in remotely (not just work, but for school, entertainment, worship, etc)

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by gfodor » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 5:30 AM UTC

bobajeff wrote: post #229

gfodor wrote: post #94

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The tech track towards full perceptual override in this current generation of VR is fairly well understood and has been on track, though slightly delayed, for approx 7 years now, with the current Oculus Quest device being the best available, and something many of us in the industry felt was almost a dream possibility a few short years ago. So I'm fairly optimistic that the tech will mature to a point where it is effo…

The problem with all these predictions about VR taking over, is they seem to pretend that visual sense is the Holy Grail of VR immersion we've all been waiting for. But that's a far cry from what was imagined in The Lawnmower Man or The Matrix. In reality we have 4 other senses to take care of first. In the mean time you just have a display that obstructs your view and which can't be tolerated for more than a couple…

Think farther. In ten years incident photons and sound pressures to your senses will likely be possible to fully software modulate. The other senses I agree are harder to speculate about, but on a ten year horizon imagining the existing status quo of form factor and method (headsets) is the wrong way to think about it. Likely these things will be effectively invisible or weightless. At the ten year point I’m imagining these to be lightweight over-eye lenses/goggles or even contact form factor. The analog would be legacy, large headphones vs modern earbuds.

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by chirau » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 5:33 AM UTC

pascalxus wrote: post #272

opportune wrote: post #236

I don’t really buy into 4-6. I don’t see any benefit for a country to turn its currency into a crypto asset. Either they are relinquishing a great deal of control in democratizing their financial system (also exposing themselves to attack), or it’s a crypto in name only that doesn’t seem any better than digital cash through banks except for a buzzword. Decentralization is hit or miss. You get economies of scale with…

Yes, the only way #6 will come true is if the replacement for meat looks, smells and tastes exactly like the real thing and it'll have to be cheaper too. People all over the world love meat, especially US, UK and the Chinese. I've tried to convince some family members to reduce their meat consumption even a tiniest amount gets a huge amount of resistance. People aren't going to give up their meat: they may not even b…

Yeah I don't see our species evolving into pure herbivores anytime soon. I'm from Africa and the only vegans I know there are either allergic to meat or just can't afford it yet. Eating meat is actually something we work towards aggressively. Meat is also a status symbol, as a result. We will be eating meat for a very very long time.

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by gfodor » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 5:33 AM UTC

dclowd9901 wrote: post #134

gfodor wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tech track towards full perceptual override in this current generation of VR is fairly well understood and has been on track, though slightly delayed, for approx 7 years now, with the current Oculus Quest device being the best available, and something many of us in the industry felt was almost a dream possibility a few short years ago. So I'm fairly optimistic that the tech will mature to a point where it is effo…

“Full perceptual override”?

Incident photons and sound to your perception will be fully proxied by a software/hardware interface.

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by cable2600 » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 5:35 AM UTC

pascalxus wrote: post #272

opportune wrote: post #236

I don’t really buy into 4-6. I don’t see any benefit for a country to turn its currency into a crypto asset. Either they are relinquishing a great deal of control in democratizing their financial system (also exposing themselves to attack), or it’s a crypto in name only that doesn’t seem any better than digital cash through banks except for a buzzword. Decentralization is hit or miss. You get economies of scale with…

Yes, the only way #6 will come true is if the replacement for meat looks, smells and tastes exactly like the real thing and it'll have to be cheaper too. People all over the world love meat, especially US, UK and the Chinese. I've tried to convince some family members to reduce their meat consumption even a tiniest amount gets a huge amount of resistance. People aren't going to give up their meat: they may not even b…

Tyson changed from a meat company to a protein company. Can make veggies taste like chicken or beef.

I didn't have an Impossible Whopper yet but it costs a lot of money. For $12.99 with a coupon I can gt a family meal of three Whoppers, three cheeseburgers, and 3 fries. I hear the Vegans are mad that the Impossible Whopper is grilled on the same grill as the regular Whooper.

I suppose the reason to turn away from meat eating is to save the environment? Animals exhale CO2 but not as much as factories with smoke stacks burning coal or oil.

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by vnorilo » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 5:40 AM UTC

kmlx wrote: post #496

jfoster wrote: post #459

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I think you're right, but there might be another way. What if there were a Tesla-like company? Tesla didn't just produce cars that are better for the environment, they made them awesome in every other way as well. I imagine that meat will eventually be replaced by lab-grown meat that had been engineered to be as delicious (or moreso!) as the highest grade beef, but perhaps more healthy & cheaper. The fact that it wou…

> Tesla didn't just produce cars that are better for the environment, they made them awesome in every other way as well. as a former tesla owner, i dispute both of these assumptions. > ... lab-grown meat ... tesla builds cars. cars are a recent human invention. cattle on the other hand is a product of millions of years of evolution. i think it will take a bit more time to get lab meat that is as good as the real thin…

On the other hand, those million years of evolution did not select specifically for ”delicious and nutritious”.

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by mbil » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 5:49 AM UTC

cable2600 wrote: post #526

pascalxus wrote: post #272

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Yes, the only way #6 will come true is if the replacement for meat looks, smells and tastes exactly like the real thing and it'll have to be cheaper too. People all over the world love meat, especially US, UK and the Chinese. I've tried to convince some family members to reduce their meat consumption even a tiniest amount gets a huge amount of resistance. People aren't going to give up their meat: they may not even b…

Tyson changed from a meat company to a protein company. Can make veggies taste like chicken or beef. I didn't have an Impossible Whopper yet but it costs a lot of money. For $12.99 with a coupon I can gt a family meal of three Whoppers, three cheeseburgers, and 3 fries. I hear the Vegans are mad that the Impossible Whopper is grilled on the same grill as the regular Whooper. I suppose the reason to turn away from mea…

Animals also output methane, and there are land-use issues with meat production.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_meat_p...

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by abledon » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 5:51 AM UTC

chefkoch wrote: post #192

gfodor wrote: post #63

I predict the 2020's will turn out to be the most difficult-to-predict decade yet. The predictions of the OP in my mind fail to account for several yet-to-mature disruptive technologies that will potentially transform our society to the degree the Internet and web have. The only prediction I'll make is in the domain where I work: By the end of the decade, most people will be wearing some kind of immersive computing d…

The main usage will be porn.

Steam achievement unlocked:

Indie games are gonna get a lot weirder... pray for our overloaded dopamine receptors and shriveled serotonin ones. Pornhub will probably roll out their own game store steam clone lol

Re: What Will Happen in the 2020s

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Post by asveikau » Thu, Jan 02, 2020, 6:01 AM UTC

Fauntleroy wrote: post #298

LeftHandPath wrote: post #278

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A lot of the article seems to be based on liberal ideals, which include a less prominent America, the promotion of Veganism, and embracing the fall of the West. For the most part, the author’s expectations about crypto are mistaken in that they assume financiers in the west trust China enough to buy into its digital currency. We are bordering on a Cold War; we aren’t about to trust them to keep their promises on cryp…

In theory the US could add Guam and Puerto Rico... but how would that ever be politically viable? There's no way this is going to happen if one party in a two party system knows it will lead to their doom.

I don't know what "adding Guam and Puerto Rico" means when they are already US territories. Your comment seems to imply that this means statehood, i.e. addition of senators and voting representatives. But the parent throws them in with Greenland, which is not a US territory.