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Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by lallysingh » Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 8:50 PM UTC

alphachloride wrote: post #137

Windows 10 is can be infuriating. But I can't find any other OS that is a good alternative. It's the worst OS, except for all the other OSes out there. 1. Best in gaming. 2. Engineering applications (CAD/Matlab/LabView) are usually windows-first 3. Good software development ecosystem. Now with Windows Subsystem for Linux, the need for having another OS is diminishing. 4. User interface is great. A lot of customizatio…

#1 true. #2 yes but slowly moving to the web.

#3 Linux is way ahead. #4 There are quite a few distributions, I think you should look around. I use KDE happily. I frankly find Windows rather bare bones in what you get. It seems everything needs another app, and they're all a pain in the ass.

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by aktuel » Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 8:54 PM UTC

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #139

Silhouette wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And we don't have any other desktop OSes which are ready for prime time. People keep saying that, but how often is it really true these days? As a professional software developer, the tools available on UNIXy platforms are already much better in many cases than the Windows ports. For a typical home user who is mostly interested in things like email and social networking, and maybe needs to write up some notes or do a…

There is loads of must-have proffeshional software that doesnt work on linux. Photoshop, illustrator, autocad, solidworks, etc.

I'm a professional and I don't need those tools. Most people I know do not use those tools either. Some people need them, sure. But the number of people who do not need those tools is certainly larger than the Apple market share.

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by mehrdadn » Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 8:55 PM UTC

suby wrote: post #69

It's worth a mention just how buggy win10 has been for me. I don't spend much time working in windows, but every time I do I encounter one issue or another. File explorer freezes / crashes. There is that one empty folder on my desktop that I cannot delete because it is in use, but there is nothing in the folder and no program is conceivably using it. There are occasional glitches with git. It wouldn't let me clone a…

> File explorer freezes / crashes.

It's been happening to me too, but it's unclear to me if it's one of my shell extensions or Windows itself. Do you run any shell extensions?

> There are occasional glitches with git. It wouldn't let me clone a git repo somewhere because it said the folder already existed. No such folder existed. Changing the destination name did nothing. Restarting fixed it.

That's mind-boggling. Were you using WSL at all, or just vanilla Windows git? WSL can have these types of issues if you try to mess with its file system (I think due to POSIX deletion semantics), but they shouldn't occur on your desktop...

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by sterlind » Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 8:56 PM UTC

partiallypro wrote: post #40

I actually really like Windows 10, a huge portion of this list could easily apply to any modern operating system that isn't Linux, and even there some of it applies. So OSX, Android, iOS, etc. The section "Now the second kind of issues is intrinsic to Windows 10 only" is full of things that are literally applicable to all the OSes I listed above. I had some laugh out loud moments reading it. Are people just blinded b…

I use Windows for work. My setup is a bit unusual, since I run Windows inside a hyper-V VM (itself running on Windows), but the performance gets abysmal between logins.

Whenever I unlock, everything grinds to a halt, applications shudder, even the start menu takes a couple minutes to activate. It spastically doesn't register window events and then suddenly 50 Alt+Tabs and click events burst through. After about 15 minutes it's mostly back.

I'd like to debug, but I have no clue where to start. I tried to follow Randomascii's examples and collect perf traces, but I have a hard time drilling that far in. Weirdly, the reported CPU usage is less than 50% but there's a flood of DPCs of some kind.

It wasn't always this bad. I think it's just Winrot. I'm thinking of investing in an unattended image building process so I can just keep swapping "fresh" copies of Windows in, but I shouldn't need to damnit!

(Disclaimer: I made the foolish decision to use Insider builds, and I work for MS so I might be eating some bad dogfood. Also, the outer Windows works fine, so it might be hyper-V issues.)

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by spicymaki » Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 8:56 PM UTC

itvision wrote: post #119

brianpgordon wrote: post #84

I'm no Windows fanboy but there's a lot of misinformation here. In the spirit of bullying the reader with a big list of points, here are some examples of incorrect claims in TFA: 1. It's not hard to disable Cortana and internet-assisted start menu search completion. I assume that's what they mean by "keyboard scanning and voice recording" because I don't think there's anything else like that in the OS. It is possible…

I'm not a fanboy of any OS in existence but 1. Most tech-illiterate people are afraid of using regedit and/or GPO to disable Cortana so the point is valid. 2. Disk fragmentation has become an even bigger issue since Windows 10 doesn't defragment SSD disks. 3. It's not an argument. 4. The article talks about laptops specifically and the issue is still there and it's huge even for Windows 10 which often installs Micros…

There is no out of order seek penalty for SSD drives like traditional hard drives. In fact you cannot guarantee what the SSD does to your logical blocks underneath the hood (they are mapped in indirect tables). You do not want to do defrag an SSD due to adding necessary erase cycles, that is why Windows has it disabled.

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by lallysingh » Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 8:57 PM UTC

kardos wrote: post #75

_bxg1 wrote: post #54

I've come to accept that there is no good OS (maybe iOS, but not really). You're just picking your poison. Want to be spied on and have your system slowly accumulate cruft and grind to a halt over the course of a few years? Use Windows. Want to be constantly fiddling with your system just to keep it running on a day to day basis? Use Linux. Want to be constantly spied on and probably also hacked? Use Android. Want to…

> Want to be constantly fiddling with your system just to keep it running? Use Linux. This may have been true 10+ years ago; the amount of fiddling required is pretty low these days.

Agreed. Especially since I went to nix for my development tools.

Regular kubuntu install, updated in a single apt-get command once a quarter, and nix for adding/removing software with abandon. Quite stable and easy to work with (after learning nix).

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by softwaredoug » Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 8:57 PM UTC

kwhat4 wrote: post #27

softwaredoug wrote: post #14

Something small I like about Windows: when I plug in Ethernet, it actually shows an Ethernet connection in the system tray. OSX seems to have a special icon for tethering to iPhone, but not Ethernet of all things. It just show the wifi icon, even when Ethernet is connected. Grr.

It is physically plugged into the computer so you obviously don't need an icon cluttering your UI. This is the Apple design philosophy you paid extra for.

My computer has USB-C ports, not Ethernet ports. ;)

I’m a sketchy dongle away from a client zoom call going poorly.

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by Retric » Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 8:57 PM UTC

ebg13 wrote: post #133

itvision wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a fanboy of any OS in existence but 1. Most tech-illiterate people are afraid of using regedit and/or GPO to disable Cortana so the point is valid. 2. Disk fragmentation has become an even bigger issue since Windows 10 doesn't defragment SSD disks. 3. It's not an argument. 4. The article talks about laptops specifically and the issue is still there and it's huge even for Windows 10 which often installs Micros…

> Disk fragmentation has become an even bigger issue since Windows 10 doesn't defragment SSD disks Defrag on SSDs in Windows 10 runs Trim. And it does do that automatically on a schedule if you don't change anything. Actual defragmentation on an SSD is way less useful because SSDs don't have killer seek latencies like spinning rust plates did, and it would be small-scale harmful because of write wear. And your SSD's…

That’s 1/2 right SSD’s do have fragmentation issues, but it’s about IOPS not latency. http://www.dbta.com/Editorial/Trends-and-Applications/Does-F...

TRIM is also important, but it’s a different issue.

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by wvenable » Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 8:58 PM UTC

suby wrote: post #69

It's worth a mention just how buggy win10 has been for me. I don't spend much time working in windows, but every time I do I encounter one issue or another. File explorer freezes / crashes. There is that one empty folder on my desktop that I cannot delete because it is in use, but there is nothing in the folder and no program is conceivably using it. There are occasional glitches with git. It wouldn't let me clone a…

> It's worth a mention just how buggy win10 has been for me.

Is it though? I mean I've had none of these problems. You could literally have a bad RAM stick or a misbehaving piece of hardware.

For every one of these posts, are hundreds of thousands of people will no problems at all and therefore no reason to make a post.

Re: Why Windows 10 Sucks or Everything Wrong with Microsoft Windows

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Post by ogre_codes » Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 9:00 PM UTC

ravenstine wrote: post #38

ogre_codes wrote: post #11

Apple hasn't done a great job of supporting MacOS over the past few years. Catalina in particular has been a bit rocky, but every time I look seriously at Windows as an alternative it falls short. It's quite sad to me that my choice of OS has essentially boiled down to "Sucks less, costs more". It's been a few years for me, but maybe time to start seriously looking at Linux on the desktop again.

I don't see how Apple hasn't done the best job in terms of operating systems. macOS hasn't changed significantly in the last decade; it's essentially the same interface, but less skeumorphism. The only bug I've experienced that's close to being serious is the touchbar freezing(seriously wtf). Windows, on the other hand, has changed significantly. Sure, it runs 32-bit programs, but the interface difference between 7 a…

> I don't see how Apple hasn't done the best job in terms of operating systems.

I just re-read this and I think I misread your comment the first time through and we're pretty close to the same page. I wasn't trying to suggest Apple's completely dropped the ball on MacOS, only that they've lagged on some features and had several fairly buggy launches over the past 3-4 years.

I used to automatically upgrade to the latest OS early in the cycle. This year I'm not even on Catalina yet. Too many bug reports with very few features to make it worth the pain. I think the current version has ironed out most of the issues.