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Essay: Too much 'niceness' is bad for critical thinking

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Re: Essay: Too much 'niceness' is bad for critical thinking

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I’ve told this story before on these forums:

I had a junior engineer once, a few years back, who could not take criticism.

He would get flustered, angry, sarcastic. His work wasn’t good. I did my best to help him — and even though I was polite, he always seemed to take a kind of deep, personal offense at whatever criticism I had for him.

There were many problems I had with his work — he wasn’t great at testing his code (at a surface level, sure, but rarely thought deeply about the implications of his changes. E.g., once he got a ticket to clean up some code throwing lots of warnings, and solved it by making the code not work at all. He tested that it wasn’t throwing warnings, but didn’t realize that it had an early escape condition that was being triggered inappropriately every time.)

He surprised me with his lack of basic knowledge that I would’ve expected from a CS graduate who’d also made an app or two outside of school. He didn’t know what a database index was, for example, among other issues.

He was also not great at communicating. When talking about his work, he’d use technical jargon incorrectly. His emails to outside vendors were meandering and difficult to parse. I coached him on these points extensively.

In the end, after 6 months or so of trying to help him, I asked our CEO to fire him. We gave him a month’s severance.

A couple months later, his lawyer got in touch with his, alleging racial discrimination. The allegation was that we fired him because of his accent. He interpreted my problems with his communication as being a problem with his (slight, barely noticeable) accent.

Our CEO told me to work on how I levy criticism of others. I mean, he’s right I’m sure. I thought I was being precise and polite, but perhaps I did give the wrong idea.

Or, maybe this hire just wasn’t used to criticism. He didn’t understand how to take advice. He didn’t know how to internalize it and act on those suggestions. When fired, he blamed an immutable quality about himself rather than something he could change.

Re: Essay: Too much 'niceness' is bad for critical thinking

#12
I'm having a hard time identifying the author's primary motivation in this vague cloud of worries and demands. If it's the fear that incisive criticism is dying in contemporary commentary, he does at least provide supporting evidence by getting this piece published at all.

Re: Essay: Too much 'niceness' is bad for critical thinking

#13

I’ve told this story before on these forums: I had a junior engineer once, a few years back, who could not take criticism. He would get flustered, angry, sarcastic. His work wasn’t good. I did my best to help him — and even though I was polite, he always seemed to take a kind of deep, personal offense at whatever criticism I had for him. There were many problems I had with his work — he wasn’t great at testing his co…

I mean, this is story of management incompetence basically. This has much less to do with person nit accepting criticism or being outright sociopath/psychopath. This has to do with management not knowing how to fire people, keep paperwork and getting scared when the word layer is used.

It is hard to prove racism or sexist discrimination. It is just not easy at all and you need more then assertion.

Re: Essay: Too much 'niceness' is bad for critical thinking

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post #13

I’ve told this story before on these forums: I had a junior engineer once, a few years back, who could not take criticism. He would get flustered, angry, sarcastic. His work wasn’t good. I did my best to help him — and even though I was polite, he always seemed to take a kind of deep, personal offense at whatever criticism I had for him. There were many problems I had with his work — he wasn’t great at testing his co…

I mean, this is story of management incompetence basically. This has much less to do with person nit accepting criticism or being outright sociopath/psychopath. This has to do with management not knowing how to fire people, keep paperwork and getting scared when the word layer is used. It is hard to prove racism or sexist discrimination. It is just not easy at all and you need more then assertion.

I left out a great deal of detail. We had documentation. We closely work with an HR lawyer, and consulted with her extensively about this individual long before firing him.

We didn’t get “scared” of his lawyer. Lawsuits are distracting and expensive for both sides even if the allegations are baseless, and we avoided one in this case by just offering a bit of a larger severance than we originally offered.

Re: Essay: Too much 'niceness' is bad for critical thinking

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The price of interpersonal conflict has gone up dramatically over the past ~10+ years. I don't know if that's good or bad, and while I certainly learned a great deal from some very "mean" folks, the more important part was learning how I myself needed to take criticism and avoid reacting to perceived "meanness".

Learning how to get along with "mean" people is more about learning how to not take things personally....although by the same token, you also need to learn how to stand up for yourself when you're right and they're wrong. One persons "mean" comment is another persons normal feedback, just like being nice can come off as condescending or patronizing in certain circumstances.

In the end most workplaces are a mixture of all types of communicators, and being able to handle those different types of people is far more useful than worrying about people being too nice or too mean.

Re: Essay: Too much 'niceness' is bad for critical thinking

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The price of interpersonal conflict has gone up dramatically over the past ~10+ years. I don't know if that's good or bad, and while I certainly learned a great deal from some very "mean" folks, the more important part was learning how I myself needed to take criticism and avoid reacting to perceived "meanness". Learning how to get along with "mean" people is more about learning how to not take things personally....a…

The article reads like this person worked for a fictitious Steve Jobs, and if real at all, this editor does sound gratuitously cruel. Why does a person spend their energy delivering workplace critique with maximum twang?

Re: Essay: Too much 'niceness' is bad for critical thinking

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This is just some guy’s opinion, and it reeks of having started from the rather common conservative everything-used-to-be-better narrative. The exact genealogy is unclear, but it could be a close relative of Aristotle’s famous kids-were-better-when-we-still-hit-them speech. In my experience, people quickly adapt to any leader’s style. If they tend to start with ad hominem (I. e. Torvalds) it uses any power except to…

I think you are missing the point of the piece. This is an appeal to "everything in moderation". What does conservative even have anything to do with it?

Are you sure the point of the piece wasn't "I worked for Steve Jobs"?

> "My job compelled me to read the lede on your story; nothing can get me to read the rest of it."

> In this country, the late Nathan Cohen, theatre critic of the Toronto Star, was considered an absolute ogre by some actors and directors.

> But he helped Canadian theatre grow and thrive.

Re: Essay: Too much 'niceness' is bad for critical thinking

#18

The price of interpersonal conflict has gone up dramatically over the past ~10+ years. I don't know if that's good or bad, and while I certainly learned a great deal from some very "mean" folks, the more important part was learning how I myself needed to take criticism and avoid reacting to perceived "meanness". Learning how to get along with "mean" people is more about learning how to not take things personally....a…

The article reads like this person worked for a fictitious Steve Jobs, and if real at all, this editor does sound gratuitously cruel. Why does a person spend their energy delivering workplace critique with maximum twang?

> Why does a person spend their energy delivering workplace critique with maximum twang?

Maybe because an editor with a long career in journalism has found a strong correlation between twang and readership? And attention paid in general. We may not like J. Jonah Jameson, but the son of a bitch can sell newspapers and Peter Parker listens when he speaks.

Re: Essay: Too much 'niceness' is bad for critical thinking

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article reads like this person worked for a fictitious Steve Jobs, and if real at all, this editor does sound gratuitously cruel. Why does a person spend their energy delivering workplace critique with maximum twang?

> Why does a person spend their energy delivering workplace critique with maximum twang? Maybe because an editor with a long career in journalism has found a strong correlation between twang and readership? And attention paid in general. We may not like J. Jonah Jameson, but the son of a bitch can sell newspapers and Peter Parker listens when he speaks.

I'm not sure why that means you need to insult the people you work with. It's a symptom of power more than correctness, because you wouldn't address board members or investors that way, and presumably one wouldn't treat clients this way either. Some workplace expressions emerge with the cover of power.

So sure, if you're working for Steve Jobs or Linus Torvalds, identify that fact and know the tradeoff you're making. But then they better deliver like so.

Re: Essay: Too much 'niceness' is bad for critical thinking

#20
I got straight A grades on high school essays. It turns out my teachers were just being nice. My first college essay came back with more words in red ink than there were words in the essay, all well justified. Niceness lowered the slope of the learning curve and I left high school incompetent and unprepared. Sometimes you've got to be cruel to be kind in the right measure. It's a very good sign.
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