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Is this punishment because he was caught or because it was on "acceptable citizens"? Yes, I'm referencing the stories coming out of the concentration camps in China and ethics related to organ harvesting, etc.
Interesting. I still roll to disbelieve on China shunning human enhancement. The gains are just too great, the fruit too low hanging. Several standard deviation increases in polygenic traits are on the table, including the most important economic trait, intellectual ability: https://www.gwern.net/Embryo-selection Given China’s almost unique state capacity to think long term, history of eugenic policies in sport, an i…
China already has many highly “intellectual” people and is not a small population.
Chinese technological dominance seems likely even ignoring embryo selection. This will likely be amplified by better agglomeration in cities.
Were western institutions capable of thinking long-term, this would add to their desire for human enhancement.
Interesting. I still roll to disbelieve on China shunning human enhancement. The gains are just too great, the fruit too low hanging. Several standard deviation increases in polygenic traits are on the table, including the most important economic trait, intellectual ability: https://www.gwern.net/Embryo-selection Given China’s almost unique state capacity to think long term, history of eugenic policies in sport, an i…
Interesting. I still roll to disbelieve on China shunning human enhancement. The gains are just too great, the fruit too low hanging. Several standard deviation increases in polygenic traits are on the table, including the most important economic trait, intellectual ability: https://www.gwern.net/Embryo-selection Given China’s almost unique state capacity to think long term, history of eugenic policies in sport, an i…
Well, if human gene editing really would work, than china (and others) would not only select for intellect, but also for obedience. Which is scary. Apart from that I do believe, that in the future human gene editing makes sense. Once it is actually understood. (until then volunteers are allright with me, but experimenting with babys ... is a bit off) Because we are successfully eliminating natural selection in variou…
"My gift to industry is the genetically engineered worker, or Genejack. Specially designed for labor, the Genejack's muscles and nerves are ideal for his task, and the cerebral cortex has been atrophied so that he can desire nothing except to perform his duties. Tyranny, you say? How can you tyrannize someone who cannot feel pain?"
- Chairman Sheng-ji Yang, "Essays on Mind and Matter"
I have no idea how you'd manufacture both a loyal and genius breed - what/whom are they loyal to?
Is this punishment because he was caught or because it was on "acceptable citizens"? Yes, I'm referencing the stories coming out of the concentration camps in China and ethics related to organ harvesting, etc.
Well, in America imigrants are put in concentration camps and desperated poor people are allowed to sell their blood 2 times a week. But it doesn't mean that if a scientist does that kind of unethical experiment, he wouldn't be put in jail.
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We don’t need the causal variants for embryo selection, just the predictive variants. We have this for height now. The only reason we don’t have this for IQ now is everyone doing GWAS studies are too chicken to put an IQ test in with their other measures. As the cost of a sequence declines, this will not last. Obviously, this is not an issue if there is state involvement.
Polygenic scores for IQ are correlated with other traits that are less desirable (schizophrenia for example). I think the lift in IQ you get from embryo selection is counteracted by a lot of other (negative) factors. It is also unclear to what degree epigenetic inheritance plays in IQ. My opinion is the 8-10 IQ point boost is less than variance from unknown factors relating to doing IVF versus natural birth. In other…
Nope. IQ is negatively correlated with most mental illness. It is certainly not positively correlated with schizophrenia: https://www.gwern.net/iq
Interesting. I still roll to disbelieve on China shunning human enhancement. The gains are just too great, the fruit too low hanging. Several standard deviation increases in polygenic traits are on the table, including the most important economic trait, intellectual ability: https://www.gwern.net/Embryo-selection Given China’s almost unique state capacity to think long term, history of eugenic policies in sport, an i…
Well, if human gene editing really would work, than china (and others) would not only select for intellect, but also for obedience. Which is scary. Apart from that I do believe, that in the future human gene editing makes sense. Once it is actually understood. (until then volunteers are allright with me, but experimenting with babys ... is a bit off) Because we are successfully eliminating natural selection in variou…
Generational planning...who will be at the helm 20+ years later? "The Party"? Maybe if it was a Medieval Kingdom, but even then you'd wonder how that would affect the fighting spirit of the people. Might commit national suicide
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China already has many highly “intellectual” people and is not a small population.
Yes, do to their large population and slightly higher average quantitative abilities (at least if you trust their PISA scores), they have roughly 20x more 4 sigma people than America. Chinese technological dominance seems likely even ignoring embryo selection. This will likely be amplified by better agglomeration in cities. Were western institutions capable of thinking long-term, this would add to their desire for hu…
Western institutions biggest advantage is the ability to easily leverage worldwide talent, which is incidentally China’s biggest deficiency. A lot of China’s human capital, for example, has helped with the success of America’s tech industry.
Humans can be enhanced in other ways that don’t involve messing so finely with Mother Nature. We can simply develop and use better tools, for example.
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China already has many highly “intellectual” people and is not a small population.
Yes, do to their large population and slightly higher average quantitative abilities (at least if you trust their PISA scores), they have roughly 20x more 4 sigma people than America. Chinese technological dominance seems likely even ignoring embryo selection. This will likely be amplified by better agglomeration in cities. Were western institutions capable of thinking long-term, this would add to their desire for hu…
Truman should've let General MacArthur take out Mao after we finished off the Japanese fascists. Now we have nuclear armed fascists with a much larger population. Cool cool cool cool