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Re: Ask HN: Ex-Employer gossiping I “hacked” their platform – what to do?

#11
>I reached out to the CEO and basically the first question whas who was it to leak this and then basicly a statement that the company did not accuse me of anything and there is nothing that can be done about the gossip.

If it was a formal statement then you have nothing to worry about. If the slander is getting to you mentally, you could seek legal counsel but sounds like they can't actually do anything to you

If it was not formal, and there is a chance they can take you to court, then you need to get legal counsel, as you need to prep for defending yourself in court. If, as you say, they should not have anything which points to you being the malicious one here, then the hardest part is going to be the lawyer fees.

Re: Ask HN: Ex-Employer gossiping I “hacked” their platform – what to do?

#12

See if you can get them to demonstrate their false accusations by getting them to state that to a reference. Without that, you have no material damages to show, with it you have a case. Talk to an attorney. I’d be surprised if they would be so foolish as to try to wreck your future employment prospects over something you didn’t do.

The OP likely already has material damages to point to. Reputation loss falls under speculative damage, as loss of a business or job opportunity may happen in the future due to his previous employer's actions.

As others in this thread have advised, hire a lawyer and discuss what your options are.

Re: Ask HN: Ex-Employer gossiping I “hacked” their platform – what to do?

#14
post #5

Looks like the kind of employer you might not want to use for references anyway, but I'd gather as much evidence of that gossip as possible, talk to a lawyer and have him/her reach the company to cease propagating these gossip, which could as well be considered defamation. If they believe they're been wronged and something wrong actually happened, then they should bring those facts with proofs to back them up.

I don’t think a lawyer will impact the water cooler.

Re: Ask HN: Ex-Employer gossiping I “hacked” their platform – what to do?

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post #13

Get someone to ask them for a reference for you and see what it says.

Assuming this is in the US, it's exceedingly unlikely the company would risk putting a negative reference in writing. OP is unlikely to get more than a confirmation of dates worked though.

Re: Ask HN: Ex-Employer gossiping I “hacked” their platform – what to do?

#16
Been there myself and seen it in other places too.

It can actually be a good filter, prospect-wise: a company that does gossip about/blame an ex-employee for some of their failures is advertising their own lack of agency.

If they were smart, they wouldn't gossip, and not even let the gossip go. That's very bad strategy, both internally and externally.

If they're not, well, I can't tell you what to do.

What happened to me:

1. first I spent several horrible months expecting my whole career to be over;

2. until I realized my ex-employer and its own reputation in the field was totally irrelevant and could not harm much my reputation (or better yet, act as a useful filter);

3. when looking for employment, when relevant, I explicitly mentioned this experience and what came with it, and what I was then looking for in a new company/position/team, so that I was the first to pitch what did happen and how I reacted to it.

It served me well. Those that listened to my story and took the time to understand it turned out to be great teams to work with. Those that dismissed me on the spot, well... I can't say really - but what I heard of afterwise from ex-employees was kind of reminiscent. :)

Re: Ask HN: Ex-Employer gossiping I “hacked” their platform – what to do?

#17
I never had an old employer accuse me, but I did have a consulting client do almost exactly the same thing. It boiled down to a few people at the company that didn't like that we pointed out a lot of security issues on things which were not our direct work but was theirs. Basically we found a few major holes in a couple of their systems we had to do some integration work with and we documented the holes and gave it to the company as part of our deliverable. Well like after 6 months post our exit they had a breach through one of those systems. One of the PM's and a couple of devs accused my team of the breach because someone had used one of the open doors we identified. Literally they had an open port through the firewall to a database system that was unprotected (no password even) and had client data in it, yea Mongo's stupid default no user/password back then.

Essentially I did the same thing you did, reached out to the CEO, he denied they blamed me or my team and said there was nothing he could do about a few "bad apples" running their mouths. I disagreed and pointed out that what they say in a professional capacity about myself or my team as a result of our time there was something he can and should concern himself with. In the end, I did what everyone here is telling you, get a lawyer. It cost me ~$500 to protect our name and put an end to it, essentially we sent a cease and desist letter and a some wording on potential damages given our work and what was being said. That letter only got one response which was they had addressed the employees and agreed my team had nothing to do with their breach. That was all I wanted, and it is what you should get because if it ever comes up you can show that to whoever asks. Took less than a week to resolve and we did work for that company again like 2 years later, guess who no longer worked there, the "bad apples" were all gone, but most of the rest of the team was still around including the CEO who brought us back. So it didn't cause us any damage long term with anyone other than we probably pissed off a few people that were already running their mouths a bit.

One last point. I have had people bad mouth me for a number of things over my career. Not once did it ever really hurt me professionally, mainly because I had a track record showing none of what they said was true. As a consultant I had lots of people pissed saying we were there to displace them, replace them etc etc (even old developers saying that cause they had ancient skillsets). I had articles in a few papers how we were destroying jobs through automation of services of a long term employer in a small town. None of it hurt us, it hurt our pride/feelings a little cause we knew what they were saying was false, but in the end none of it ever affected us professionally. In some cases it actually helped us get other work partially because people saw we didn't react and get defensive or go off the deep end. I am not advocating you don't defend your professional reputation, but just realize there is a time and place to, and a time and place to just let it drop.

Re: Ask HN: Ex-Employer gossiping I “hacked” their platform – what to do?

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post #14
post #5

Looks like the kind of employer you might not want to use for references anyway, but I'd gather as much evidence of that gossip as possible, talk to a lawyer and have him/her reach the company to cease propagating these gossip, which could as well be considered defamation. If they believe they're been wronged and something wrong actually happened, then they should bring those facts with proofs to back them up.

I don’t think a lawyer will impact the water cooler.

and it will cost you a ton. I love when people immediately jump to "lawyer up" like that's just nothing.

Re: Ask HN: Ex-Employer gossiping I “hacked” their platform – what to do?

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post #13

Get someone to ask them for a reference for you and see what it says.

Assuming this is in the US, it's exceedingly unlikely the company would risk putting a negative reference in writing. OP is unlikely to get more than a confirmation of dates worked though.

It wouldn't have to be in writing. Have a friend call up, say they are from "Tech Co" and "Would you recommend Joe Shmoe?"

Very easy.

Re: Ask HN: Ex-Employer gossiping I “hacked” their platform – what to do?

#20
post #13

Get someone to ask them for a reference for you and see what it says.

Assuming this is in the US, it's exceedingly unlikely the company would risk putting a negative reference in writing. OP is unlikely to get more than a confirmation of dates worked though.

Many companies will share "eligible for rehire" status.
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