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German expressions that don’t exist in English

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Aufrichtigkeit – Sincerity/Honesty. Literally: To be in an upright posture This sounds pretty similar to 'having a spine'. Its normally used for courage or sticking up for your beliefs.

Having a spine = Rückgrat haben

Pretty much the same. Though I’d use it in the face of adversity, whereas “aufrichtig” is more of a muted, constant state of being. Like sincerity, with a visceral touch.

Re: German expressions that don’t exist in English

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Let’s not forget schadenfreude!

You mean epicaricacy?

Wiktionary Usage notes:

The word is mentioned in some early dictionaries, but there is little or no evidence of actual usage until it was picked up by various "interesting word" websites around the turn of the twenty-first century.

Re: German expressions that don’t exist in English

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No, these expressions exist in English, they just have a slightly different meaning. And in the case of “Entwicklung”, the English pendant “Development” even has the exact same origin: to unwrap or unfold (the opposite of envelope). There certainly are German expressions that do not exist in English, but this list does not do a good job at collecting them. My personal impression is that German makes it easier to expr…

I'm sorry but I must disagree: "sachzwangreduzierte Ehrlichkeit" is absolutely horrible. If you like this kind of talk, you'd make a good politician (or consultant).

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Alternative title: "One language that has different close compounding rules than another language has different compound nouns than that other language". And different cultural and historical sensibilities expressed in those compound nouns - which is the main point of the article one would assume, not the mechanics...

From the article: "the unique wisdom of some of these words, that don't have an exact counterpart in the English language". So the claim is precisely that because English doesn't have single-word translations of these German terms, that the German words somehow encode "unique wisdom", which is obviously BS. In most cases, close examination reveals that it's unfounded BS. "Aufrichtigkeit" (Sincerity/Honesty) has the s…

>From the article: "the unique wisdom of some of these words, that don't have an exact counterpart in the English language". So the claim is precisely that because English doesn't have single-word translations of these German terms, that the German words somehow encode "unique wisdom", which is obviously BS.

As for the general claim, not so obviously.

For one, "wisdom" here is not meant as some expert understanding of who we are and what to do in general (the generic sense of wisdom), but as improved insight about a sentiment/situation captured in a specific word, as opposed to a language that can only describe it in many ad-hoc words.

To put it in IT terms, those words avoid an extra pointer interaction to the subject matter. Or having them is like having first class support for something that in English only can be achieved with "design patterns" and extra ceremony (of course there are English words which the German don't have too).

As for specific examples in the article, sure, they might not be the best picks to illustrate the general claim.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Doesn’t every language have such a thing? Not in the same degree. > What makes German more exceptional than English? Different syntax, more abstract terms, and easier to combine terms and create new meanings. > Or Chinese more exceptional than English? Totally different writing system, syntax and sensibility, and a couple of millennia or more of added history.

I will dispute that it is "easier to combine terms and create new meanings" in German than in English. You can combine words to create new words in either language.

The fact that "you can" doesn't mean that

(1) people often do,

(2) the language encourages it,

(3) the terms are accepted as valid (e.g. when seen in an article or spoken),

(4) there are as many compound words in English as in German,

(5) it's as historically customary to create compound words

and several other things besides.

So I don't think one can dispute that it's easier in German.

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No, these expressions exist in English, they just have a slightly different meaning. And in the case of “Entwicklung”, the English pendant “Development” even has the exact same origin: to unwrap or unfold (the opposite of envelope). There certainly are German expressions that do not exist in English, but this list does not do a good job at collecting them. My personal impression is that German makes it easier to expr…

I dislike when people say “this cannot be translated correctly into your language” as it logically doesn’t make sense. perhaps they mean word for word? I’m sure any language can conjure up a similar feeling and combination of words. Maybe not a literal translation, but by virtue of being a human construct, any language can be crafted and molded into anything.

Some languages are inherently less expressive than others. English is not very expressive and therefore a large number of words phrases and idioms don't have an analogue that makes sense in english. Trying to reduce them to something that makes sense is like trying to explain a joke. It defeats the purpose.

Anyone who speaks >1 languages is aware of this.

Re: German expressions that don’t exist in English

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Glück. All this talk about long compound words, when German gives the word Glück. It can mean luck, joy, bliss, though it is so much more than the sum of its possible translations. Hermann Hesse wrote a beautiful essay on this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7rLsb3w8ZaM

Re: German expressions that don’t exist in English

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Me: Moved to Hamburg this year, has 320 days on Duolingo and finished an actual beginner's German course so far. I can only partially agree to the statements made in this thread about the quality of this list but I've been fascinated with German words that have no English counterparts, at least not completely. My favorite one so far is "Waldeinsamkeit"--literally "forest soltitude" but the translation does not captur…

Hamburg is more of a place to work than a place to live.

This highly influences traffic (patterns), structure of neighborhoods in the residential areas and so on.

Maybe this explains why the city sleeps so early - the working population is off to their homes in the suburbs.

Re: German expressions that don’t exist in English

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One key aspect of the English language is that the meaning of any word can vary slightly in interpretation from person to person. Could breaking down complex feelings into concrete components mislead the individual into thinking that they're processing emotions in the exact same way as their neighbors? Or is it self-fulfilling, that the language shapes the emotion?

In any case, I think all these compound words definitely make learning German easier. It encourages one to adopt the mindset.

Re: German expressions that don’t exist in English

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Aufrichtigkeit – Sincerity/Honesty. Literally: To be in an upright posture This sounds pretty similar to 'having a spine'. Its normally used for courage or sticking up for your beliefs.

There is the expression of "Rückgrat haben" which would probably be the direct translation to "having a spine".

I would say the meaning is nearly equivalent. If someone has a spine he is someone who stands by his convictions (maybe implying the presence of external animosity).

Someone who is "aufrichtig" is "just" honest about his convictions.

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