Write Junior Code
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Write Junior Code
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#2Or become senior and apply for that Haskell job in five years.
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#3While you do it, find a business case for the language development. PL papers in the : format make a good read but a production language also needs more mundane input and work.
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#4I'm kind of having this problem. I'm a senior engineer but junior Haskell programmer.
Can't find any jobs willing to hire me as a junior haskell programmer so I just stick with the popular languages.
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#5To be clear, one of the reasons I decided to focus on Python in the early 2000's was this reason, that I wanted to work within a computing language that was as accessible as possible to the widest variety of programmers, thus helping to ensure that the code I write would be maintainable by others, the libraries I create would be in high demand, and whatever code I write for employers would be maintain a high degree of transparency to everyone else at that employer.
My general impression of functional languages with Haskell at the top, is that these languages are inherently not for "junior" programmers of any stripe. That is, if you are a programmer writing Haskell code that actually works and does something useful, by definition you are nothing like a "junior" programmer. A "junior" programmer would be doing it in PHP, C#, or Python. Just the kind of motivation one would need to learn Haskell and actually be functional at it would take you out of the realm of the vast majority of "junior" programmers.
This is based on my own experience of working alongside many other programmers, many of whom were probably not necessarily "junior" however they were the kind of programmers that went home at 5 pm. These people could get a lot done but only in a language that did not require intensive conceptual visualization. Even in Python, parts of code that I would write that would get too clever / recursive / FP-ish would be lost on everyone else and I'd be stuck having to save everyone from that little clump every time something had to change with it.
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#6To be clear, one of the reasons I decided to focus on Python in the early 2000's was this reason, that I wanted to work within a computing language that was as accessible as possible to the widest variety of programmers, thus helping to ensure that the code I write would be maintainable by others, the libraries I create would be in high demand, and whatever code I write for employers would be maintain a high degree o…
One would expect that a language like Haskell abstracts away the need for junior programmers. In the same way that digital computers abstract away the need for pencil-and-paper calculators.
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#7Wish there was something similar to Elm, but designed with backend/networking/generality in mind, like Go. Take the Haskell core language without all the lang extensions, and accompany it with a solid stdlib. I want an FP ecosystem that's not rooted in research. Can have a more simplistic type system, etc. Basically a functional Go. Maybe an effect system, idk.
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#8Wish there was something similar to Elm, but designed with backend/networking/generality in mind, like Go. Take the Haskell core language without all the lang extensions, and accompany it with a solid stdlib. I want an FP ecosystem that's not rooted in research. Can have a more simplistic type system, etc. Basically a functional Go. Maybe an effect system, idk.
I keep telling myself that this is the year I'm going to really learn F#; it has a lot of the nice parts of Haskell, but is a little more on the pragmatic end, and has access to the whole .NET world.
The problem I run into frequently on my abortive attempts is that when things get harder, it's too easy to just drop back and smash something out in C#.
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#9What I try to do in my projects is to allow complex code (if it serves a purpose), but only in libraries and try to make it as self-contained and well documented as possible. Application code should be simple.
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#10Wish there was something similar to Elm, but designed with backend/networking/generality in mind, like Go. Take the Haskell core language without all the lang extensions, and accompany it with a solid stdlib. I want an FP ecosystem that's not rooted in research. Can have a more simplistic type system, etc. Basically a functional Go. Maybe an effect system, idk.
Elixir is pretty great if you're not super hung up on type systems.